I used PopOS, but once they announced they’ll start focusing on their Cosmic desktop, I switched to Fedora KDE it worked to some degree until it crashed and I lost some data, now I’m on Ultramarine GNOME and it doesn’t seem to like my hardware ( fans are spinning fast )

my threat model involves someone trying to physically unlock my device, so I always enable disk encryption, but I wonder why Linux doesn’t support secure boot and TPM based encryption ( I know that Ubuntu has plans for the later that’s why I’m considering it rn )

I need something that keeps things updated and adobts newer standards fast ( that’s why I picked Fedora KDE in the first place ), I also use lots of graphical tools and video editing software, so I need the proprietary Nvidia drivers

Idk what to choose ಥ_ಥ ? the only one that seem to care about using hardware based encryption is Ubuntu, while other distros doesn’t support that… the problem with Ubuntu is there push for snaps ( but that can be avoided by the user )

security heads say: if you care about security, you shouldn’t be using systemd, use something like Gentoo or Alpine… yeah but do you expect me to compile my software after ? hell no

  • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
    13·
    3 months ago

    K, so I’m probably oversimplifying, but almost all distros should allow you to at least encrypt /home, and although I haven’t tried it myself yet, whole-disk encryption via UEFI is possible. You say your threat model is only someone trying to unlock your device, but it sounds as if you’re not worried about espionage - someone gaining access to your computer and replacing the /efi boot process with something that will harvest your password when you log in. If all you’re worried about is seizure and data protection, why isn’t disk encryption sufficient?

    If you really feel like you need TPM, Arch supports it, which means other distros do, too. Although, figuring it out for, e.g., Ubuntu of something you’ll have to research; the Arch wiki is the most fantastic source of Linux documentation on the web, and much (but not all) of it can help with other distros.

    I may be completely misunderstanding what problem you’re encountering, but (a) disk encryption is trivial to set up on both Mint and EndeavorOS installers (the two I’ve used most recently), and (b) TPM certainly seems possible from the Arch wiki.

    • ᥫ᭡ 𐑖ミꪜᴵ𝔦 ᥫ᭡@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      2·
      3 months ago

      Idk if FDE is enough, what if the attacker can modify the boot code to capture the decryption keys and other stored passwords ? as far as I know this is exactly what secure boot protects against, it checks the validity of the boot code using the TPM chip, if it’s already there, why don’t most distros use it ? instead you’ll see that secure boot is greyed out in the Bios ( which means it’s not supported )

      and yes, I did lock down the Bios too, with a different password

      Edit: I’ll check EndevourOS documentation, Mint is cool but it doesn’t adobt newer standards or newer kernels ( newer kernels are just much more secure )

      • th3raid0r@programming.dev
        2·
        3 months ago

        This sounds like a lenovo machine. Or something with a similar MOK enrollment process.

        I forget the exact process, but I recall needing to reset the secureboot keys in “install mode” or something, then it would allow me to perform the MOK enrollment. If secureboot is greyed out in the BIOS it is never linux’s fault. That’s a manufacturer issue.

        Apparently, some models of Lenovo don’t even enable MOK enrolment and lock it down entirely. Meaning that you’d need to sign with Microsofts keys, not your own. The only way to do this is to be a high-up microsoft employee OR use a pre-provided SHIM from the distribution.

        https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#Using_a_signed_boot_loader

        For that case, Ubuntu and Fedora are better because, per the Ubuntu documentation they do this by default.

        On Ubuntu, all pre-built binaries intended to be loaded as part of the boot process, with the exception of the initrd image, are signed by Canonical’s UEFI certificate, which itself is implicitly trusted by being embedded in the shim loader, itself signed by Microsoft.

        Once you have secureboot working on Ubuntu or Fedora, you could likely follow these steps to enable TPM+PIN - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-cryptenroll#Trusted_Platform_Module

        There might be some differences as far as kernel module loading and ensuring you’re using the right tooling for your distro, but most importantly, the bones of the process are the same.

        OH! And if you aren’t getting the secureboot option in the installer UI, that could be due to booting the install media in “legacy” or “MBR” mode. Gotta ensure it’s in UEFI mode.

        EDIT: One more important bit, you’ll need to be using the latest nvidia drivers with the nvidia-open modules. Otherwise you’ll need to additionally sign your driver blobs and taint your kernel. Nvidia-Open is finally “default” as of the latest driver, but this might differ on a per-distro basis.

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
        1·
        3 months ago

        I was going off what you said:

        my threat model involves someone trying to physically unlock my device

        This doesn’t sound to me as if you’re concerned about espionage - repeated, covert, root access to your computer, for the purpose of installing software to capture your keys, so that they can steal your computer and have complete access. If someone has remote root access to your computer, you’re fucked, TPM or not; they’ll just read what they want whenever you’re logged in and using your computer.

        TPM is for when you might not have secured physical access to your computer. Like, you’re worried the NSA is going to sneak into your house while you’re out shopping, pull your HD, replace the boot loader, and re-install it before you get home.

        If you’re only worried about, say, losing a laptop, or a search & seizure at your house, an encrypted HD is good enough. TPM and a keylocked BIOS are belts-and-suspenders, but if they want to get at the data they’ll just pull the HD and run code-breaking software on it on and entirely different super-computer. TPM won’t help you at all in that case.

        Honestly, TPM is for a specific threat mode, which is much more like ongoing espionage, than simple opportunity theft. Your stated use case sounds more like the latter than the former.

        • ᥫ᭡ 𐑖ミꪜᴵ𝔦 ᥫ᭡@feddit.orgOPEnglish
          1·
          3 months ago

          but if they want to get at the data they’ll just pull the HD and run code-breaking software on it on and entirely different super-computer. TPM won’t help you at all in that case.

          You make it sound so easy and doable, but the reality is that without meeting certain conditions such as the existence of the original TPM chip, a brute force attack will render the data irretrievable… And even if I’m wrong in the last part, that would still be a pain in the butt for the attacker… and it’ll buy me time… like you said … belts-and-suspenders

          This doesn’t sound to me as if you’re concerned about espionage

          Because i don’t have second chances, which is why I wish there’s way to erase everything by entering a key combination… somehow… Idk… like Android has that…