Funny you assume I don’t tip. I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit. Which is why I know how much more things cost because of tipping. The problem is instead of it being a bonus for quality of service, its become the expectation to make up for the fact that servers choose not to throw their lot in with the rest of the staff and argue for living wages collectively.
Servers have been privileged with making 2-3x more such that the idea of making what the kitchen staff does is seen as being abused. You just don’t want to accept that the employer abuses you, and instead you abuse the customer with your expectations of having them supplement the poor wage you took expecting the customer will make up for it. Meanwhile the kitchen staff has always been abused but you didn’t mind because you got yours. Maybe work together and demand a better lot?
And here’s the scenario you didn’t care to consider. You quit, they don’t get servers because they don’t pay well, and the business shuts down making room for another that can try again with a better model. Dan can seek an employer that doesn’t treat him as a slave to minimize their costs, and Steve can choose to serve food himself or pay someone appropriately to do the work or close up shop. None of which relies on an expectation of a tip because the wage increase you collectively bargained for is baked into the price. So then when a tip is deserved it can be given, but there is no expectation of 20% for refilling my water at a buffet that I served myself at, or less.
I appreciate the discussion, hope you have a good day bud.
Funny you assume I don’t tip. I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit.
Well duh, you’re so adamant against tipping I figured you practiced what you preached. Kinda odd that you do tbh with all this arguing against the practice.
The problem is instead of it being a bonus for quality of service,
Actually, I’d argue that:
I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit.
Means that tipping is still correlated to quality of service. To your point actually, when people used to stiff me for giving them great service, I would be thinking “what the fuck did I do to you? My service was great, I sped like a bitch to get here I know I wasn’t slow, I went like 10mph over (15 is reckless driving)” until of course they just order 2x a week, taking up valuable time I could be getting tipped, but nooooo that dude doesn’t have $3 to let me know he appreciates fast service, so I guess he doesn’t care how long it takes.
its become the expectation to make up for the fact that servers choose not to throw their lot in with the rest of the staff and argue for living wages collectively.
Irrelevant. You would just cross the picket line undermining all efforts those people make. Until the day comes where the customers strike with the bottom-rung empliyees you seem to think have all the power no ammount of striking will change it.
Servers have been privileged with making 2-3x more such that the idea of making what the kitchen staff does is seen as being abused. You just don’t want to accept that the employer abuses you, and instead you abuse the customer with your expectations of having them supplement the poor wage you took expecting the customer will make up for it. Meanwhile the kitchen staff has always been abused but you didn’t mind because you got yours. Maybe work together and demand a better lot?
Idk where you work, but this isn’t the case where I worked. Idk if it’s egocentrism making you think everyone is the same as you, or what, but sorry to break it to you my cook made more than I did, and I got $8/hr plus tips, which in my area is unheard of for drivers, ususally it’s $7.25 in store and like $5 out of store. And another thing, I was using my own car (as delivery drivers usually do) so I had to worry about my gas and extra wear and tear on my car, another reason to give the nice man who just drove your drunk lazy ass a pizza like three whole dollars (I know, we’re asking for SO MUCH, such a burden huh?)
And here’s the scenario you didn’t care to consider. You quit, they don’t get servers because they don’t pay well, and the business shuts down making room for another that can try again with a better model.
Or the business that opens up is the exact same and the cycle continues because you keep patronizing the businesses that you feel have unethical practices. Why does the business have to do something anti-gay or anti-trans or racist before people boycott it? Aren’t your economic principles also important? Not important enough it would seem.
refilling my water at a buffet that I served myself at, or less.
Where the fuck do you live lmao?! Buffets have the damn soda stream machines, usually the big red Coke one with all the flavorings you can choose, and you pay at the counter. What fucking “buffet” has servers, “Warren Buffet?!” Do they come talk to you like John Pinette lmao? I’d believe the counter has a tip jar or the receipt has a line for tips, but I don’t for a second believe they have a server. I mean, for what?! “Hi welcome to our buffet, I’m Julie. This is usually when I’d take your order, but since this is a buffet you’ve already paid and now are expected to serve yourself, my being here is meaningless. How 'bout them Steelers huh?”
Funny you assume I don’t tip. I do, and well, unless the service is dog shit. Which is why I know how much more things cost because of tipping. The problem is instead of it being a bonus for quality of service, its become the expectation to make up for the fact that servers choose not to throw their lot in with the rest of the staff and argue for living wages collectively.
Servers have been privileged with making 2-3x more such that the idea of making what the kitchen staff does is seen as being abused. You just don’t want to accept that the employer abuses you, and instead you abuse the customer with your expectations of having them supplement the poor wage you took expecting the customer will make up for it. Meanwhile the kitchen staff has always been abused but you didn’t mind because you got yours. Maybe work together and demand a better lot?
And here’s the scenario you didn’t care to consider. You quit, they don’t get servers because they don’t pay well, and the business shuts down making room for another that can try again with a better model. Dan can seek an employer that doesn’t treat him as a slave to minimize their costs, and Steve can choose to serve food himself or pay someone appropriately to do the work or close up shop. None of which relies on an expectation of a tip because the wage increase you collectively bargained for is baked into the price. So then when a tip is deserved it can be given, but there is no expectation of 20% for refilling my water at a buffet that I served myself at, or less.
I appreciate the discussion, hope you have a good day bud.
Well duh, you’re so adamant against tipping I figured you practiced what you preached. Kinda odd that you do tbh with all this arguing against the practice.
Actually, I’d argue that:
Means that tipping is still correlated to quality of service. To your point actually, when people used to stiff me for giving them great service, I would be thinking “what the fuck did I do to you? My service was great, I sped like a bitch to get here I know I wasn’t slow, I went like 10mph over (15 is reckless driving)” until of course they just order 2x a week, taking up valuable time I could be getting tipped, but nooooo that dude doesn’t have $3 to let me know he appreciates fast service, so I guess he doesn’t care how long it takes.
Irrelevant. You would just cross the picket line undermining all efforts those people make. Until the day comes where the customers strike with the bottom-rung empliyees you seem to think have all the power no ammount of striking will change it.
Idk where you work, but this isn’t the case where I worked. Idk if it’s egocentrism making you think everyone is the same as you, or what, but sorry to break it to you my cook made more than I did, and I got $8/hr plus tips, which in my area is unheard of for drivers, ususally it’s $7.25 in store and like $5 out of store. And another thing, I was using my own car (as delivery drivers usually do) so I had to worry about my gas and extra wear and tear on my car, another reason to give the nice man who just drove your drunk lazy ass a pizza like three whole dollars (I know, we’re asking for SO MUCH, such a burden huh?)
Or the business that opens up is the exact same and the cycle continues because you keep patronizing the businesses that you feel have unethical practices. Why does the business have to do something anti-gay or anti-trans or racist before people boycott it? Aren’t your economic principles also important? Not important enough it would seem.
Where the fuck do you live lmao?! Buffets have the damn soda stream machines, usually the big red Coke one with all the flavorings you can choose, and you pay at the counter. What fucking “buffet” has servers, “Warren Buffet?!” Do they come talk to you like John Pinette lmao? I’d believe the counter has a tip jar or the receipt has a line for tips, but I don’t for a second believe they have a server. I mean, for what?! “Hi welcome to our buffet, I’m Julie. This is usually when I’d take your order, but since this is a buffet you’ve already paid and now are expected to serve yourself, my being here is meaningless. How 'bout them Steelers huh?”
You too.