If you’re not going to tip out of some faux moral outrage against the practice then you shouldn’t frequent the businesses that use tips to get around paying a living wage.
The only way to get employers to change what they do is to get the employees and/or customers to make them change.
Customers can sue, boycott, give them a PR black eye that investors won’t like, etc.
Employees can unite, demand a fair wage, walk out, and/or form a union.
Note that making up for an employer’s refusal to pay a fair wage is not in the customers’ “job description.”
Unfortunately for the employees in tip-heavy industries it’s getting out of hand. Fuck employers making me pay ever larger tips so they don’t have to pay a fair wage and the associated taxes and benefits. It’s not moral outrage, it’s outrage at being fleeced at every turn so the people in charge can keep more money while fucking the rest of us.
Grow some balls and start a union, stop whining about pay while taking the customers’ hard earned cash because it’s easy to shit on them instead of taking a stand against the boss man.
All I’m reading is a sad attempt to create moral highground where there is none. Once again, I know you aren’t so naive, so narrow-minded, as to believe that your not tipping someone is doing literally anything good. No way you believe it is helping to end tipping culture/improve wages. I know you don’t believe that.
Naw, I’m just going to continue coming and not tipping. And then your employer will force you to continue serving me anyway lol, so you will. And despite this, you’ll side with the employer who forced you to serve the not tipping asshole guy. It’s actually pretty funny the mental gymnastics in play here.
And you’ll continue to get shitty service. You’ll be the last one served a beer/drink even if you were there before someone else, that side of ranch you wanted will come out when you have only one or two bites left (or better yet if you waited for the ranch to eat, when it’s cold), and my employer won’t fire me because I always show up on time and people who tip even halfway decently rant and rave about me. So you’ll stop coming in and then I don’t have to deal with your tip-less ass. If you like shitty service, keep doing you (or frequent places that don’t ask for tips).
No no, I’ll just complain to your manager if that happens… it doesn’t though in my experience. I don’t have any interest in getting you fired btw, but your manager will tell you to serve the customer since it’s literally the job they pay you for. You literally signed up for this. And if the manager doesn’t care, the owner will probably be upset with the manager since they are interested in making money and losing customers who pay in full wouldn’t help them make money.
So what next… a threat to spit in my food or otherwise biohazard contaminate in some other way so I stop coming in? Just because I paid full price for the items I ordered? Does that actually seem reasonable to you?
Oh you’ll be served, just last and slowly, so no I won’t be fired. Because again, in an industry with high turn over I show up on time and most customers leave me glowing reviews. So you’ll just continue to get shitty service to the point where you’ll probably stop coming in. Your order will be slightly (sometimes even completely) wrong, things will take forever to get to you. You’ll complain to the manger/owner, they’ll “have a talk with me”, but nothing will change and I won’t be fired. I guarantee you they’d rather lose one shitty customer than a good worker. And you can rant until you’re blue in the face about how if I do these things to you I’m not a good worker, but in an industry where tipping is standard and those who tip are getting excellent service, I am indeed a good worker. And since most people tip, most people get excellent service. You’re delusional if you think your non-tipping ass is getting me fired. You’ve clearly never worked in the industry. But please, enjoy your (probably cold) food and being the customer every server hates.
If my order is wrong/cold I’ll just send it back. You really shouldn’t’t intentionally waste food like that! Especially because your manager will make certain I get what I ordered, they always do. But hey, maybe if you make the wrong order something you want to eat yourself … you might get a free meal out of it or something. And I hope you do, since you aren’t being paid fairly.
Again, as I clearly said already but you missed somehow, I’m not trying to get you fired or in trouble at all. That is not even slightly my goal. I’m just trying to get the chicken nuggies I actually ordered for the price listed on the menu. And I always do, every single time.
Feel free to let me know the name of the restaurant and I’ll come prove it to you if you like. And I’ll even make clear I’m not tipping before I order anything.
It’s clear most of them have no idea how the industry works either; claiming bull shit like the cooks don’t care if they tip, that probably even prefer it that way since it doesn’t go to them. But the cooks DO get a cut of the tips! Just a bunch of selfish, delusional, cheap assholes.
The business transaction was between me and your employer. Not me and you. You are just their employee. I always pay my bill in full and have never stiffed anyone.
If your employer doesn’t pay you fairly, I’d suggest not working there. But I quite like the food so I’ll keep going, especially since how am I supposed to know if they aren’t paying you fairly? I’m not privy to your wages. And it’s not like the people doing the hard work of cooking that food or delivering the ingredients or cleaning up afterhours or even the people who physically built the restaurant itself give a fuck if I don’t tip. They probably prefer it. And yet, all those people work harder than you and play a much bigger part in my overall dining experience. But your work is also appreciated, so thank you. But no, I’m not tipping you if I’m not tipping the person who made this delicious meal in the first place or tipping the person who made this super comfortable chair I’m sitting on. It’s just not right and I have ethics.
You clearly have no idea how the industry works. In most places bartenders, cooks, and bussers are tipped out from the servers tips. They each get a certain percent of total tips the server made that night. So the person who made the food DOES get that tip you leave, as does the person who made your cocktail, and the person who cleaned up after you. So to say they prefer you don’t tip is utter bull shit. Get your cheap ass off that high horse. Your protest is nothing but you being selfish and grasping at any excuse to justify your shitty actions.
Ummmm I literally worked in the industry myself… which is exactly why I’m against tipping. I’m fully aware of the ‘tip out’ process. And you know as well as I do the vast majority goes to servers. And, at least in my experience, 0% went to after hours cleaning crew. And definitely none went to the chair manufacturer or the plumber who fixes the shitters. You can try to justify to yourself as much as you like, but it’s an inherently unfair system. Especially when assholes like me can just get away with tipping $0. Doesn’t seem too fair… and if anyone should be in favour of it, wouldn’t it be the assholes who don’t tip? They are the ones who directly benefiting from tip subsidized meals.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain how a system of inconsistent donation based income is better than a consistent and fair one… no one has even tried yet :(
Please point to where I ever said I support tipping culture. Because I can show you several comments where I explicitly said I don’t. I’m saying your “protest” is ineffective and selfish.
The act of tipping itself supports tipping culture. Tipping culture literally couldn’t exist without people tipping and people tipping is what allows this culture to continue.
You’re not tipping is not helping to end tipping culture you muppet. You don’t give two shits about them. You just don’t want to pay a tip and are hunting for palatable excuses.
Tipping also doesn’t help end the tipping culture. On the other hand, not tipping is more likely to end the tipping culture, so I’ll just continue not tipping unless I think you deserve it.
If you’re not going to tip out of some faux moral outrage against the practice then you shouldn’t frequent the businesses that use tips to get around paying a living wage.
The only way to get employers to change what they do is to get the employees and/or customers to make them change.
Customers can sue, boycott, give them a PR black eye that investors won’t like, etc.
Employees can unite, demand a fair wage, walk out, and/or form a union.
Note that making up for an employer’s refusal to pay a fair wage is not in the customers’ “job description.”
Unfortunately for the employees in tip-heavy industries it’s getting out of hand. Fuck employers making me pay ever larger tips so they don’t have to pay a fair wage and the associated taxes and benefits. It’s not moral outrage, it’s outrage at being fleeced at every turn so the people in charge can keep more money while fucking the rest of us.
Grow some balls and start a union, stop whining about pay while taking the customers’ hard earned cash because it’s easy to shit on them instead of taking a stand against the boss man.
You just stiffing a random employee is not going to change anything. I know you don’t believe it will. That’s preposterous.
Who’s shifting the burden on who now? Are you doing anything to help end tipping culture? And what’s with the needless emasculation?
All I read is someone trying to make someone else responsible for the hard work of getting a better wage.
All I’m reading is a sad attempt to create moral highground where there is none. Once again, I know you aren’t so naive, so narrow-minded, as to believe that your not tipping someone is doing literally anything good. No way you believe it is helping to end tipping culture/improve wages. I know you don’t believe that.
Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.
You’re certainly making a case for obstinacy.
What am I deflecting? What you’re doing is helping nobody. You’re just being selfish.
Do you actually believe that not tipping is helping improve those employees lives?
A perfect fit for choosingbeggars.
Who’s deflecting now lmao
If it convinces employees to stop relying on tips and start asking for a living wage, yes.
Do you actually think your efforts create that outcome? That’s a bit “if.”
Naw, I’m just going to continue coming and not tipping. And then your employer will force you to continue serving me anyway lol, so you will. And despite this, you’ll side with the employer who forced you to serve the not tipping asshole guy. It’s actually pretty funny the mental gymnastics in play here.
And you’ll continue to get shitty service. You’ll be the last one served a beer/drink even if you were there before someone else, that side of ranch you wanted will come out when you have only one or two bites left (or better yet if you waited for the ranch to eat, when it’s cold), and my employer won’t fire me because I always show up on time and people who tip even halfway decently rant and rave about me. So you’ll stop coming in and then I don’t have to deal with your tip-less ass. If you like shitty service, keep doing you (or frequent places that don’t ask for tips).
No no, I’ll just complain to your manager if that happens… it doesn’t though in my experience. I don’t have any interest in getting you fired btw, but your manager will tell you to serve the customer since it’s literally the job they pay you for. You literally signed up for this. And if the manager doesn’t care, the owner will probably be upset with the manager since they are interested in making money and losing customers who pay in full wouldn’t help them make money.
So what next… a threat to spit in my food or otherwise biohazard contaminate in some other way so I stop coming in? Just because I paid full price for the items I ordered? Does that actually seem reasonable to you?
Oh you’ll be served, just last and slowly, so no I won’t be fired. Because again, in an industry with high turn over I show up on time and most customers leave me glowing reviews. So you’ll just continue to get shitty service to the point where you’ll probably stop coming in. Your order will be slightly (sometimes even completely) wrong, things will take forever to get to you. You’ll complain to the manger/owner, they’ll “have a talk with me”, but nothing will change and I won’t be fired. I guarantee you they’d rather lose one shitty customer than a good worker. And you can rant until you’re blue in the face about how if I do these things to you I’m not a good worker, but in an industry where tipping is standard and those who tip are getting excellent service, I am indeed a good worker. And since most people tip, most people get excellent service. You’re delusional if you think your non-tipping ass is getting me fired. You’ve clearly never worked in the industry. But please, enjoy your (probably cold) food and being the customer every server hates.
If my order is wrong/cold I’ll just send it back. You really shouldn’t’t intentionally waste food like that! Especially because your manager will make certain I get what I ordered, they always do. But hey, maybe if you make the wrong order something you want to eat yourself … you might get a free meal out of it or something. And I hope you do, since you aren’t being paid fairly.
Again, as I clearly said already but you missed somehow, I’m not trying to get you fired or in trouble at all. That is not even slightly my goal. I’m just trying to get the chicken nuggies I actually ordered for the price listed on the menu. And I always do, every single time.
Feel free to let me know the name of the restaurant and I’ll come prove it to you if you like. And I’ll even make clear I’m not tipping before I order anything.
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It’s clear most of them have no idea how the industry works either; claiming bull shit like the cooks don’t care if they tip, that probably even prefer it that way since it doesn’t go to them. But the cooks DO get a cut of the tips! Just a bunch of selfish, delusional, cheap assholes.
This thread was very sad to see. I know some people don’t tip but man the reasoning and entitlement I’m seeing is something else
The business transaction was between me and your employer. Not me and you. You are just their employee. I always pay my bill in full and have never stiffed anyone.
If your employer doesn’t pay you fairly, I’d suggest not working there. But I quite like the food so I’ll keep going, especially since how am I supposed to know if they aren’t paying you fairly? I’m not privy to your wages. And it’s not like the people doing the hard work of cooking that food or delivering the ingredients or cleaning up afterhours or even the people who physically built the restaurant itself give a fuck if I don’t tip. They probably prefer it. And yet, all those people work harder than you and play a much bigger part in my overall dining experience. But your work is also appreciated, so thank you. But no, I’m not tipping you if I’m not tipping the person who made this delicious meal in the first place or tipping the person who made this super comfortable chair I’m sitting on. It’s just not right and I have ethics.
You clearly have no idea how the industry works. In most places bartenders, cooks, and bussers are tipped out from the servers tips. They each get a certain percent of total tips the server made that night. So the person who made the food DOES get that tip you leave, as does the person who made your cocktail, and the person who cleaned up after you. So to say they prefer you don’t tip is utter bull shit. Get your cheap ass off that high horse. Your protest is nothing but you being selfish and grasping at any excuse to justify your shitty actions.
Ummmm I literally worked in the industry myself… which is exactly why I’m against tipping. I’m fully aware of the ‘tip out’ process. And you know as well as I do the vast majority goes to servers. And, at least in my experience, 0% went to after hours cleaning crew. And definitely none went to the chair manufacturer or the plumber who fixes the shitters. You can try to justify to yourself as much as you like, but it’s an inherently unfair system. Especially when assholes like me can just get away with tipping $0. Doesn’t seem too fair… and if anyone should be in favour of it, wouldn’t it be the assholes who don’t tip? They are the ones who directly benefiting from tip subsidized meals.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain how a system of inconsistent donation based income is better than a consistent and fair one… no one has even tried yet :(
Agreed except it’s not funny, you’re just a bad person.
You’re the one in support of a fundamentally harmful system, not me.
You know what would prevent assholes like me from not paying their ‘fair share’? Not tipping.
Please point to where I ever said I support tipping culture. Because I can show you several comments where I explicitly said I don’t. I’m saying your “protest” is ineffective and selfish.
The act of tipping itself supports tipping culture. Tipping culture literally couldn’t exist without people tipping and people tipping is what allows this culture to continue.
You’re not tipping is not helping to end tipping culture you muppet. You don’t give two shits about them. You just don’t want to pay a tip and are hunting for palatable excuses.
Tipping also doesn’t help end the tipping culture. On the other hand, not tipping is more likely to end the tipping culture, so I’ll just continue not tipping unless I think you deserve it.
None of what you said refutes my point.
Tipping culture can only exist in an environment where people tip. Do you actually disagree with that?