basically, any server in the fediverse (on mastodon, lemmy, whatever) has the ability to “defederate” from other servers - which means they basically cut the connection from them.
usually, this is a good thing as servers that tend to get defederated are often safe spaces for racists, homophobes, etc. If their only safe spaces to spew hate is defederated servers, b-bye!
BUT! Sometimes, some admins on some servers, even popular servers like mastodon.art on Mastodon and beehaw.org on Lemmy can be extra heavy handed & gatekeepy with their moderation. True, their members could leave for a more balanced server, but unlike on Mastodon, on Lemmy account migration is not possible yet, so it would be starting all over… again… for Beehaw users.
From what I heard, they cut off lemmy.world in the really early days (it’s only been 6 weeks dang it!) over fear of bots? Yet, lemmy.world has actually been good about making the server isn’t filled with bots (like when they held off on updating to 0.18).
Beehaw has strict rules about the content they allow, and with the huge influx of users (bots or not), current moderation tools aren’t really enough for them to keep up with their own instance plus everyone else’s.
Once mod tools improve to their satisfaction (and my understanding is that they’ve had/are having discussions with other instances and lemmy devs about their needs) they said they’d like to re-federate.
To me, that’s fine. If they don’t want to stress out about this then they can take their time and work with everyone to meet in the middle. Or not. That’s what the fediverse is about - flexibility and trust.
I appreciate the info, thank you! I joined up on lemmy.world mostly because it was the first one I had seen and seemed to be pretty populate, I didn’t realize all the behind the scenes stuff. Does defederation work both ways? By that I mean, if beehaw were to block lemmy.world, does that mean lemmy.world automatically blocks beehaw back?
basically, any server in the fediverse (on mastodon, lemmy, whatever) has the ability to “defederate” from other servers - which means they basically cut the connection from them.
usually, this is a good thing as servers that tend to get defederated are often safe spaces for racists, homophobes, etc. If their only safe spaces to spew hate is defederated servers, b-bye!
BUT! Sometimes, some admins on some servers, even popular servers like mastodon.art on Mastodon and beehaw.org on Lemmy can be extra heavy handed & gatekeepy with their moderation. True, their members could leave for a more balanced server, but unlike on Mastodon, on Lemmy account migration is not possible yet, so it would be starting all over… again… for Beehaw users.
From what I heard, they cut off lemmy.world in the really early days (it’s only been 6 weeks dang it!) over fear of bots? Yet, lemmy.world has actually been good about making the server isn’t filled with bots (like when they held off on updating to 0.18).
So I don’t get it. Just chatting it up here.
Beehaw has strict rules about the content they allow, and with the huge influx of users (bots or not), current moderation tools aren’t really enough for them to keep up with their own instance plus everyone else’s.
Once mod tools improve to their satisfaction (and my understanding is that they’ve had/are having discussions with other instances and lemmy devs about their needs) they said they’d like to re-federate.
To me, that’s fine. If they don’t want to stress out about this then they can take their time and work with everyone to meet in the middle. Or not. That’s what the fediverse is about - flexibility and trust.
thanks for your reply, good to hear they are relooking at it.
I appreciate the info, thank you! I joined up on lemmy.world mostly because it was the first one I had seen and seemed to be pretty populate, I didn’t realize all the behind the scenes stuff. Does defederation work both ways? By that I mean, if beehaw were to block lemmy.world, does that mean lemmy.world automatically blocks beehaw back?
Yes that’s the way it works. The connection is severed both ways if either end defederates.