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    Right, but when your beliefs involve the dissolution of capitalism, these are more like perpetuating the system.

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      Even the people who believe in dissolving capitalism have accomplished nothing but perpetuate the system.

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        Its that shitty Ben shapiro meme. “You hate the system yet you participate in it, curious?”

        Yeah not really many options when you’ve gotta put food on the table. The change comes from the top down down down Esit: I may or may not be misreading your comment.

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          The top doesn’t have as many options as people think.

          Ben Shapiro is dumb and I don’t fault anyone who can’t bring about a worker’s paradise, provided they make an incremental improvement in the lives of others. That includes Biden.

          After taking millions of tiny steps forward, we’ll eventually get to where we need to be.

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            Too bad at this rate, the planet will be burnt to a crisp before we get anywhere close to good enough.

            No time for baby steps. Perhaps its selfish, but Id like these changes in my lifetime, please.

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              It’s not selfish. People are SUFFERING and DYING. The people who are selfish are the ones who don’t want to give up the privilege and luxury they have that is only made possible by the suffering and exploitation of others these reforms would help the most.

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              I think the biggest LOL in history is Main Characters who think they can immediately solve the world’s problems. They literally have a 0% success rate.

              All of our actual progress has always been incremental.

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                  That’s true, but change is always a mix of progression and backsliding. That’s another reason why incremental progress is so valuable.

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                    It demonstrates precisely the opposite. All it shows is that change can be lost in a moment. And waiting around for it to strengthen only to then backslide into non-existence is not the solution. If we fought half as hard to build up the nation as the right does to tear it down, we’d be making a lot of progress.

                    Slowly doing the right thing is not a virtue in and of itself. The only people who want slow change explicitly do not want the change to occur if it disrupts those who use inequality to opress.

                    Do you think the civil rights movement was fighting for slow incremental change? That was a byproduct of the resistance to equality. They wanted it yesterday.

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                  Perfect example. “The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward justice.”

                  After more than a decade of activism, MLK didn’t live to see the passage of the Civil Rights Act. And that law didn’t solve the problem of racial inequality.

                  If you were alive in MLK’s time, you would be complaining that he hadn’t done enough.

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                    Still wouldn’t have happened without direct action, which is ultimately what I’m trying to get at in these comments. People like MLK had to put their asses on the line to make change happen. Had to rally support. Simply voting doesn’t really accomplish much. It took Black Americans getting beat in the streets, causing issues for politicians to get the civil rights act past the finish line. You’re right that it does take time for progress to happen but without direct action like what MLK did I don’t think anything would have ever gotten accomplished.