It’s SO IRONIC that you typed all that shit about Tate, who you admit was poor and economically struggling and WEAPONIZED men’s hatred of women to make himself RICH, but then say he’s not an example of an older man pied pipering younger men into hating women out of a desire to solve his economic woes.
Oh I misread you then, and, looking back, to no fault of yours.
But I still contend that Tate going for disaffected young boys is incidental to his character: In another situation, he would’ve taken up another grift. Tate as the public phenomenon we’re witnessing is contingent on his victims, without those he would’ve become a drug dealer or something. Pimp, human trafficker, defendant, yes all that – but not figurehead. Characters like him have existed through the ages, also in the age of the internet, but never was there so much of a following. Fuck I had one of them as a neighbour.
Coddling their perspective is also not required.
It’s SO IRONIC that just one sentence previously you advocated for coddling their perspective: That their fears about their life being fucked before it even really began are valid and should be addressed.
Now, my sorry ass isn’t going to bring down capitalism any time soon. Teaching that it’s not women but fat cats who are at fault also won’t help, at best you get actionism – why would a couple of hot-heads without experience succeed were generations of leftists failed. What I can and do do though is teach martial arts, and with that exactly that what those youngsters are missing, and that is the capacity to navigate the fucked-up state we find ourselves in: There’s no “art” in martial art without mastery of your emotions, without training your capacity to observe, to defuse, broadly speaking without increasing your capacity to adapt to whatever situation you find yourself in in a self-directed manner – if you adapt without that self-direction you’re being controlled and will hate yourself for it because you will have to sacrifice core values and human social instincts. That is what I teach those boys real men do: Live up to the challenge, and teach others how to do the same. And that even if a gal becomes (usually verbally) abusive, the most you do is tickle her until she lost that train of thought. You know, proportional self-defence.
Occasionally news reaches me of a mother of a friend of a guy not wanting them to attend. Something something Karen not wanting “her little boy to learn violence”. That, right there, is a future Tate fan and yes I blame Karen for failing her son, for preferring being an ism over being a mother, though not publicly. Wouldn’t do any good.
…unless doing what Karen is doing is what you meant by coddling. Then, by all means, don’t do it, boys resent it anyways, even if they humour you by appearing dependent they’ll look anywhere but that place to form their actual character. But it’s also not a thing I ever mentioned much less advocated.
You know what Spartan mothers did? When their sons came of age and thus militiamen, they’d hand them the family shield, telling them “come back with it or on it or don’t come back at all”. Now I don’t advocate the militarism but as an archetypal image it still symbolises the necessary break in the mother-son relationship, female confirmation of manhood, splendidly, just take the crassness with a grain of salt. And you know what without that supposition of dependence looming over him he’s even likely to enjoy coming over for dinner.
Maybe its because the left is more likely to be women,
Marginally, at best, especially with AfD voters being like 2/3rd protest votes in the east by people who previously voted anything else, but initially hard left. They just ran out of options because they can’t get their asses up and participate actively to make sure that their actual concerns are addressed because having a political opinion, much less advocating for it, was never a thing in the GDR. 30 years of re-unification with a socialist country full of actual socialists and the federal republic became less social. WTF. But I digress.
and men have a hard fucking time listening to women for some reason.
Pot, kettle. This is capitalism, if you want someone who listens you hire a therapist.
It’s SO IRONIC that just one sentence previously you advocated for coddling their perspective
Where?
My whole fucking point is that these guys shouldn’t be coddled. If I made a typo somewhere saying they should be, I want to fix it. But I think you may have misread again.
Attacking capitalism is coddling their perspective by validating that they are getting hurt instead of descending into “shush your fault for being you” territory. I was just playing a semantic gotcha game at that point.
I was just playing a semantic gotcha game at that point.
at least you can admit it.
As for the difference, I wouldn’t call validating the perspective that capitalism is fucking us ‘coddling’ soley because of the fact that I think it’s true and actionable
As opposed to the fictions being presented by PUAs that women are meant to be dominated, which I obviously find untrue thus the term ‘coddling’.
Shame we’re fighting each other instead of the rich, is my point.
It isn’t context-dependent. Try to make it such, meaning look for it in a particular place, and all you’ll see is ocean from horizon to horizon. Land appears as opportunity dictates in the moment, be ready to see it, seize a beachhead without thought, without intention or doubt. Then decide whether you like the local cuisine.
…and yes I may be 100% in martial arts teacher mode now, my apologies, I know it can be annoying. Have some Bruce Lee.
Oh I misread you then, and, looking back, to no fault of yours.
But I still contend that Tate going for disaffected young boys is incidental to his character: In another situation, he would’ve taken up another grift. Tate as the public phenomenon we’re witnessing is contingent on his victims, without those he would’ve become a drug dealer or something. Pimp, human trafficker, defendant, yes all that – but not figurehead. Characters like him have existed through the ages, also in the age of the internet, but never was there so much of a following. Fuck I had one of them as a neighbour.
It’s SO IRONIC that just one sentence previously you advocated for coddling their perspective: That their fears about their life being fucked before it even really began are valid and should be addressed.
Now, my sorry ass isn’t going to bring down capitalism any time soon. Teaching that it’s not women but fat cats who are at fault also won’t help, at best you get actionism – why would a couple of hot-heads without experience succeed were generations of leftists failed. What I can and do do though is teach martial arts, and with that exactly that what those youngsters are missing, and that is the capacity to navigate the fucked-up state we find ourselves in: There’s no “art” in martial art without mastery of your emotions, without training your capacity to observe, to defuse, broadly speaking without increasing your capacity to adapt to whatever situation you find yourself in in a self-directed manner – if you adapt without that self-direction you’re being controlled and will hate yourself for it because you will have to sacrifice core values and human social instincts. That is what I teach those boys real men do: Live up to the challenge, and teach others how to do the same. And that even if a gal becomes (usually verbally) abusive, the most you do is tickle her until she lost that train of thought. You know, proportional self-defence.
Occasionally news reaches me of a mother of a friend of a guy not wanting them to attend. Something something Karen not wanting “her little boy to learn violence”. That, right there, is a future Tate fan and yes I blame Karen for failing her son, for preferring being an ism over being a mother, though not publicly. Wouldn’t do any good.
…unless doing what Karen is doing is what you meant by coddling. Then, by all means, don’t do it, boys resent it anyways, even if they humour you by appearing dependent they’ll look anywhere but that place to form their actual character. But it’s also not a thing I ever mentioned much less advocated.
You know what Spartan mothers did? When their sons came of age and thus militiamen, they’d hand them the family shield, telling them “come back with it or on it or don’t come back at all”. Now I don’t advocate the militarism but as an archetypal image it still symbolises the necessary break in the mother-son relationship, female confirmation of manhood, splendidly, just take the crassness with a grain of salt. And you know what without that supposition of dependence looming over him he’s even likely to enjoy coming over for dinner.
Marginally, at best, especially with AfD voters being like 2/3rd protest votes in the east by people who previously voted anything else, but initially hard left. They just ran out of options because they can’t get their asses up and participate actively to make sure that their actual concerns are addressed because having a political opinion, much less advocating for it, was never a thing in the GDR. 30 years of re-unification with a socialist country full of actual socialists and the federal republic became less social. WTF. But I digress.
Pot, kettle. This is capitalism, if you want someone who listens you hire a therapist.
Where?
My whole fucking point is that these guys shouldn’t be coddled. If I made a typo somewhere saying they should be, I want to fix it. But I think you may have misread again.
Attacking capitalism is coddling their perspective by validating that they are getting hurt instead of descending into “shush your fault for being you” territory. I was just playing a semantic gotcha game at that point.
at least you can admit it.
As for the difference, I wouldn’t call validating the perspective that capitalism is fucking us ‘coddling’ soley because of the fact that I think it’s true and actionable
As opposed to the fictions being presented by PUAs that women are meant to be dominated, which I obviously find untrue thus the term ‘coddling’.
Shame we’re fighting each other instead of the rich, is my point.
What’s more revolutionary: Swimming against the stream, or getting out of the water?
I have no idea what that analogy means in the context of this conversation.
It isn’t context-dependent. Try to make it such, meaning look for it in a particular place, and all you’ll see is ocean from horizon to horizon. Land appears as opportunity dictates in the moment, be ready to see it, seize a beachhead without thought, without intention or doubt. Then decide whether you like the local cuisine.
…and yes I may be 100% in martial arts teacher mode now, my apologies, I know it can be annoying. Have some Bruce Lee.