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I mean, I’d like games to be available, but I don’t see archive.org’s legal basis for providing it. I mean, the stuff is copyrighted. Lack of commercial availability doesn’t change that.
Yeah, some abandonware sites might try to just fly under the radar, and some rightsholders might just not care, might not be much value there. But once you’re in a situation where a publisher is fighting a legal battle with you, you’re clearly not trying that route.
You can argue that copyright law should be revised. Maybe copyright on video games should be shorter or something. Maybe there should be some provision that if a product isn’t offered for sale for longer than a certain period of time, copyright goes away. But I don’t think that this is the route to get that done.
Legal doesnt mean correct. Slavery used to be legal.
Copyright is a broken system that gives giant corporations the power to hold art ransom. There is no argument that holds up against art being preserved.
So no, copyright might have had use in the past but by now it is morally sound to pirate.
Maybe copyright on video games should be shorter or something. Maybe there should be some provision that if a product isn’t offered for sale for longer than a certain period of time, copyright goes away. But I don’t think that this is the route to get that done.
This person is playing devils advocate imo. Either they are very interested in law and facts and not much in justice or they‘re low level trolling. I cant say and I dont want to accuse them so I‘ll go with the former.
It is completely obvious imo that the IP scam is going rampant and companies are finding new ways to abuse customers every day, although the governments worldwide are pushing back (finally).
Still, stating it like this shows they could not care less and the lack of compassion with people who feel strongly about freedom and equality rubs me the wrong way.
Agreed, those are pretty permissive licenses (though not completely free), but they’re still licenses that you deliberately choose, not ones that were forced upon you.
The point is that you have it backwards with the license choices. You don’t have some sort of inherent right to prevent others from copying data you produce, it is a choice of society to grant you that exclusive right and if society deems it to do more harm than good to do so (e.g. because 90% of our culture is lost thanks to copyright after it is no longer commercially available but before copyright runs out) then society absolutely has the right to take your copyright away from you again.
Copyleft licenses do force you to do certain things, like make your changes to the code available, and AGPL was made specifically to patch some GPL loopholes. They are technically less free than something like Apache which is essentially “do whatever you want, IDC…”
Which are more free depends how you look at it. If we limit the scope to just us then having no restrictions is more free than a copyleft licenses that have any restrictions. If we also consider our users then being able to do what we want includes not giving the same level of freedom to our users, and the same applies to our user’s users. A restriction on us denying freedom ensures gives freedom to others.
As far as I understand, you only have to make your changes to the code available to users of your software. You are free to make any modifications as long as you keep them to yourself and don’t share the binaries (or access the service, in case of AGPL) with anyone. I might be mistaken, though.
Related: Internet Archive hosts zillions of abandoned games. Publishers are currently trying to sue it out of existence. They accept donations.
Thx for the heads-up
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I mean, I’d like games to be available, but I don’t see archive.org’s legal basis for providing it. I mean, the stuff is copyrighted. Lack of commercial availability doesn’t change that.
Yeah, some abandonware sites might try to just fly under the radar, and some rightsholders might just not care, might not be much value there. But once you’re in a situation where a publisher is fighting a legal battle with you, you’re clearly not trying that route.
You can argue that copyright law should be revised. Maybe copyright on video games should be shorter or something. Maybe there should be some provision that if a product isn’t offered for sale for longer than a certain period of time, copyright goes away. But I don’t think that this is the route to get that done.
Legal doesnt mean correct. Slavery used to be legal.
Copyright is a broken system that gives giant corporations the power to hold art ransom. There is no argument that holds up against art being preserved.
So no, copyright might have had use in the past but by now it is morally sound to pirate.
Their point was that archive.org is going to get fucked in court.
If thats the case they pushed a lot of pro IP sentiment with it.
It’s cruel that companies are even able to do shit like this and we should destroy them for it.
I don’t see anything pro IP in their comment. They just stated the reality of the situation.
This person is playing devils advocate imo. Either they are very interested in law and facts and not much in justice or they‘re low level trolling. I cant say and I dont want to accuse them so I‘ll go with the former.
It is completely obvious imo that the IP scam is going rampant and companies are finding new ways to abuse customers every day, although the governments worldwide are pushing back (finally).
Still, stating it like this shows they could not care less and the lack of compassion with people who feel strongly about freedom and equality rubs me the wrong way.
Does this male more sense to you?
But is there any reason why it doesn’t?
It already has been, there is a ruling that allows an exemption to copyright law for the specific use of preservation by libraries and museums.
Maybe they could do more about it but what’s already there is way way better than nothing.
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Well yes, but unironically. Do you really think we should just let data get lost?
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I wonder to what degree that would still apply when it’s their work (say, a photo) being used by others in any way they see fit.
Wouldn’t change anything for me. If I put data on the internet, I put it under a permissive license. (AGPL for code, CC-BY-SA for everything else).
Agreed, those are pretty permissive licenses (though not completely free), but they’re still licenses that you deliberately choose, not ones that were forced upon you.
Copyright is a law forced upon us. It is not some sort of natural state.
So are murder and traffic laws.
The point is that you have it backwards with the license choices. You don’t have some sort of inherent right to prevent others from copying data you produce, it is a choice of society to grant you that exclusive right and if society deems it to do more harm than good to do so (e.g. because 90% of our culture is lost thanks to copyright after it is no longer commercially available but before copyright runs out) then society absolutely has the right to take your copyright away from you again.
In what way are they not completly free? Cuz you gotta keep the same license?
Copyleft licenses do force you to do certain things, like make your changes to the code available, and AGPL was made specifically to patch some GPL loopholes. They are technically less free than something like Apache which is essentially “do whatever you want, IDC…”
Which are more free depends how you look at it. If we limit the scope to just us then having no restrictions is more free than a copyleft licenses that have any restrictions. If we also consider our users then being able to do what we want includes not giving the same level of freedom to our users, and the same applies to our user’s users. A restriction on us denying freedom
ensuresgives freedom to others.As far as I understand, you only have to make your changes to the code available to users of your software. You are free to make any modifications as long as you keep them to yourself and don’t share the binaries (or access the service, in case of AGPL) with anyone. I might be mistaken, though.
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