• Sybil@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    biden isn’t on the left, so whether he wins or trump, the left does not win.

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      7 months ago

      This is true, but trump is far further to the right than biden. I’ll take losing less over losing more any day even if we can’t have an actually left leaning candidate

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                7 months ago

                You have aided it by voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries and by refusing to hold him accountable during his term to the people who gave him a chance.

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                  Presumptuous gesture there, personally I supported Sanders in both 2016 and 2020 primaries, but failing that I’ll take who has a chance to stop a greater threat over making some protest gesture by writing in someone who has no chance given the realities of the established system.

                  Another new account was made to comment in another part of this thread to try and argue against voting for an established party because that’ll never get a ranked choice vote. To that one I’ll say similar to above, making some futile gesture by voting for a non-viable candidate will have even less a chance of getting to the better system sought.

                  And to the other asking for evidence that the ‘genocode Joe’ mantra is likely started as an astroturfing campaign, no I don’t have some specific source, that was the point of saying it has the ‘feel of’. However, if one looks at it for a moment, who benefits by seeking to split the Democratic vote? Who has a noted history of using catchy names to denigrate ‘sleepy Joe’? The #hashtag style of things simply reeks of the kind of campaign one would hire a bunch of bot farms to spit out threads like this one in an effort to create a wedge in the more diverse party that just happens to be a threat to the existence of an oppressive ‘moral centric’ group who seek to impose their world views on the rest of society.

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                    7 months ago

                    Presumptuous gesture there, personally I supported Sanders in both 2016 and 2020 primaries, but failing that I’ll take who has a chance to stop a greater threat over making some protest gesture by writing in someone who has no chance given the realities of the established system.

                    Along with fighting, downplaying, undermining, and trivializing anyone who sees things differently.

                    There are plenty of moderate and liberal voters finger wagging us to support their pro-corporate trash candidate. We don’t need you joining their ranks. What we need is for you to tell them they either need to make material compromises with us or lose to MAGA.

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                  What will you achieve? Like genuinely explain the material change that your vote for a third party will achieve, other than making trump more likely to win.

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                    7 months ago

                    the ethics of an action are not in the consequences, they are in the action itself. voting for bad people is bad.

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          Hell I’d settle for centerists making material compromises with the left but the mere suggestion that they do so makes them seethe. They’d rather lose to MAGA.