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Holy shit, micro transactions for fast travel? What the fuck
From a review:
The explorers camping kit is probably the most egregious of the “DLC” So to explain, as you and your pawns battle you take damage, take enough damage and there is a portion of your HP you can’t recover with magic or items. So you’ll either have to go rest at an inn or find a bonfire to set up camp. To make camp you’ll need the camping supplies item, the ones I have found so far are very heavy in weight, which means your party won’t have much space for loot. The explorers camping kit DLC will give you 1 camping supply and make the “explorers camping kit” available to purchase within the in-game shops, and it will be much lighter in weight than the normal camping supplies. Capcom have purposely made the experience far more tedious than it need be in their fully priced AAA game so we would spend the extra money on their quality of life DLC.
Fuck this game.
This is literally “make the Battlefield player pay money to reload their gun.”
I don’t remember it being that bad but in battlefield heroes the weapons and upgrades you unlocked with free points were only temporary (like 2 weeks at a time or something)
Wait a minute, hold up, this wasn’t in the game unless you have that?
It is, afaik all the microtransactions are available in game, most of them are even very very easily available. Capcom has been doing this for years in all their games, even Monster Hunter Rise has the character edit voucher bullshit, but people have finally called them out for it.
That camp kit comes with the deluxe addition, which they probably are unaware of because they got the game for free. It also comes with one of those edit voucher things as well. I doubt I’ll ever use mine though because they also have an amazing character creator that came out weeks ago that let you meticulously design your character and your pawn. Then when you start the game they are right there as a choice. Something else they probably didn’t know because they had the game so early.
It’s all made up of drama for clicks, and seems to be working.
The edit voucher is also available for rift crystals in game. The drama isnt made up I’d say but it is misdirected. Be mad at Capcom not the people playing the game and having fun because the game itself is actually good.
You can unlock fast travel in game. You can pay to unlock it early.
It’s basically cheat codes as mtx. Doesnt affect the gameplay.
All reviewers were informed that there were going to be microtransactions. Only 2 of 25 reviewers even talked about it in the reviews but both of them said the mtx doesnt have an affect on enjoying the game (the mtx are basically just for people who dont want to play the game as intended)
Cheat codes have long been part of gaming history with. Up up down down…
The difference is literally nothing in weight. Honestly. This is the biggest non issue. A few potatoes you loot off the ground can weigh more than the difference between the camp you purchase for gold in the first town and the dlc.
If you wanna complain about legitimate issues like frame rate or only one save, that’s fine. But for anyone that’s played the game, the dlc is beyond pointless and not worth this level of outrage.
It’s not about the practicality, it’s the fact that it is there in the first place. Its like to boiling frog, gradually adding slightly more crap with each iteration.
So of course they will not add full pay to win in single players in one shot
That kit is part of the Deluxe edition, or $2.99 if you want to buy just it without the other bonus items. I think calling it DLC is a stumble by CAPCOM, but this guy has made a whole lot of drama out of his entitlement over not getting items from another SKU with his FREE pre-release copy of the game he finished in advance of release.
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Apologetics aside, “this guy” is a random steam review.
You can just use ingame items
“You can just have a significantly worse experience”
People paid $80 or more for this game, basic QoL improvements should not cost 42 real life dollars
Exactly right! And each time we give a company a free pass with this bullshit, they’ll take it as a win to do worse next time.
Can’t stand the copium some people have with this, its bullshit they added it, they should be called out on it. Plain and simple.
It’s the same experience that was in the first game. It’s not worse, it’s the intended experience.
Yeah this should be the standard right here
This echo 64 guy really understands what gamers want. The same fucking system from the last game.
The last game didn’t even have camping, you could just use items to heal past white health instead.
And now you get to pay Money!!!1
The same system that had the majority of players begging for fast travel. They can blame the players all they want, but the fact remains that the game would be better if I didn’t have to trek from one town to the next again and again and again and again and again. The main story of the first game takes about 32 hours to beat. How many of those hours are spent walking through areas you’ve already been through?
The “intended experience” is worse than the Super Deluxe Golden Platinum Edition experience. Do you really believe they didn’t design this game to incentivise these purchases? For one example, do you really think the fact that they sell rift crystals for real life actual dollars had no impact on their decisions for the cost of hiring pawns? Do you honestly believe that the fact that they sell lighter camping equipment had no impact on how much they made the base game camping equipment weigh? If they think it’s worth a couple dollars to get slightly lighter camping equipment, why didn’t they just reduce the weight of camping equipment?
Do you think that maybe the decision to have one save file per player and the decision to sell a single use character redesign item might be related?
It’s the same system as the first game. They designed the same system. I don’t know what is so hard to understand about this. They added skips for idiots that want to pay extra, but for the rest of us it’s the same damn thing as it was last time.
Honestly, I can’t take the outrage culture of lemmy anymore. It’s made this place unbearable.
Thanks for confirming this, all the rage around this game is exhausting. I loved the first game, would probably place it in my top ten of all time. I have no complaints about omg actually having to traverse the world. It’s the way the game is designed to play. If there are paid workarounds to play it a different way it doesn’t affect me or anybody else who loves this kind of game.
Outrage is a social media staple, it’s not just Lemmy.
They designed the same system, which people complained about the first time around. Like I already said, they added skips for idiots that want to skip the boring parts. If you know that part of your $70 game is so boring that people are willing to pay extra to skip it, just don’t include those parts.
It’s not significantly worse, the tent is the only item in the mtx that even has any benefit over the shit available in game. Even the fast travel item you can get the maximum number in-game and need to use a consumable that isn’t even in the mtx every time you want to fast travel to it. This game and it’s devs aren’t the actual issue, it’s the people running Capcom that insist on putting bullshit mtx in every game since the first dragons dogma.
In the case of the tent, the devs are actually the issue. They knew that they were going to sell a lighter tent when they released the game. If you don’t think the existence of a lighter tent that you can pay real life money for had any impact on how much the base game tents weigh, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I did say the tent was the only item with benefit over items in game tbf. That is a shitty mtx yes, but I think Capcom pressures their devs to include mtx in every game which is why you see it in things like Resident Evil and Devil May Cry over the years
Or companies could stop fleecing basic gameplay features that have been a staple of games for many years behind a completely unnecessary pay wall. Somebody wants to use fast travel, give it to them. If they don’t, keep the option available for those who want it.
The fast travel is in the game, the mtx is a placable fast travel point of which you have a limit of 10. All 10 are findable in game and require you to use a limited consumable item that isn’t in the mtx store every time you want to fast travel to it. The mtx are actually comically stupid decision from Capcom because they’re unironically useless if you just play the base game and serve only to drag the games reputation through the mud.
You can buy the ferrystones for gold or loot them. They cost 10k gold. I had over 30k at level 10. Buying them is literally nothing mid to late game. You can also fast travel with carts that let you snooze or fight monsters. They are actually more interesting than ferry stones cause you get exp and loot.
And there’s still no good reason to let that be something you can get with real life money. That’s basically saying “Hey, you just gave us $70 to play our game, but if you think our game is too long for your patience, you can give us more money to play less game.”
You literally can, fast travel is a part of the game. And just like in the first game it’s limited behind an item. It’s is the exact same system the series has had for a decade. Just they let rich idiots skip the system.
Again, it’s the same exact system that was in the first game
That doesn’t make it any better. That’s effectively just making people pay to access developer and cheat codes. I can do that for free in Starfield with the press of a button and a short command.
It’d be like Mortal Kombat coming out and letting people pay real life money to do an easy fatality.
There’s no point for them to do this beyond simple greed. Nothing more.
They just let rich idiots skip the boring part, you mean. The main story in the first game takes about 32 hours to beat. How many of those hours are spent trekking through areas you’ve already been through before?
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I mean it’s clearly not what people enjoy given how many people asked for fast travel. Point remains, a good chunk of the amount of time it takes to play the game is just replaying the same areas you’ve been through before. I’m not stupid, I didn’t pre-order the game. I was just hoping they made the one change literally 99% of the people who played the first game asked for.
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Bet those ingame items would be easier to get if there weren’t MTX.
Its a full price game, it shouldnt have microtransactions
Y’all still preordering video games? I thought we had talked about this.
Worse. Not sure about micro transactions but the dlc was released on day 2 with no prior information or heads up. Truly scum of earth behaviour.
The “DLC” was available before release day and is just the stuff from the deluxe version but separated out so you can buy just the stuff you want. It has been all right on the store page (not hidden) for everyone to read this whole time. This made up story is from a reviewer that upon completing the game on their advanced FREE copy noticed the dev didn’t give them the version with the other camping kit and created this whole fake outrage.
I am taking about someone else on Lemmy who shared his experience, not a reviewer. I don’t buy games on release anyway so I don’t know the exact details. But if you’re trying to downplay this whole shit show then don’t, it is very much deserved.
How can you admit you:
- haven’t even played the game
- know nothing about the facts
And then claim
But if you’re trying to downplay this whole shit show then don’t, it is very much deserved.
Why is it deserved? Because “someone else on Lemmy” said so? Someone that didn’t read what they were buying and is going along with a clickbait article by a reviewer that had his feelings hurt because the devs didn’t give him the deluxe edition, and instead he only got the standard well in advance of launch? He could have righted his whole “injustice” with a $3 purchase for his stupid camp kit (for a $70 he didn’t pay for), but instead he wrote a whole piece on how he didn’t read anything before completing the game (he didn’t pay for pre-launch).
Mate give it a rest, stop simping for bad business practices.
This is exactly like any other version of a game that comes out with more than one SKU (bonus items). Only this time the guy that got it for FREE in advance wrote about how he didn’t understand he wasn’t getting bonus items. He then writes a hit piece stating even though he didn’t read, he should be entitled to those items because he didn’t know about them, even though he didn’t read (and his copy was in advance of release and FREE). It’s basically a story of entitlement, and how a reviewer has created a non-story over his.
I don’t care about what excuses you want to make for this bullshit. Stop defending these anti-consumerist practices, you are not the company, you do not benefit from them making millions from selling lazy arse DLC that is just basic game features paywalled off.
Oh so I have to buy the garbage just to criticise it? Absolutely not. And why did you assume that I know nothing about the game when my wording was “exact details” in reference to me getting the DLC dates wrong. So you’re also defending the bait and switch that some reviewers can get a copy with no garbage but they are added in the game at release. Doesn’t matter if it is done for all or just a few but it happened so stop defending assholes. All that does is give an OK to assholes to keep assholing. We already have too many who give into garbage like this and promote this behaviour so if you understand them at least don’t promote it.
Can you read? Serious question. There was no “bait and switch” for anyone. Nobody was sold anything and then given something else. And the reviewer in question would have known exactly what they were getting, and what was available, but stated in the article they didn’t READ anything before completing the game. Then they put out a click-bait article and everyone is coming out with pitchforks because some dude that played for FREE didn’t get the version he wanted pre-release. That to me reaks of entitlement, and a pretty “asshole” thing to create a hit piece about a game he enjoyed otherwise but is salty he didn’t get a different version with a couple extras to play well in advance of release.
And for the record, I am not OK with entitled assholes like that.
Can you read? Serious question. I am not taking about this reviewer as I already mentioned. They weren’t the only one, there are multiple which are probably like 100 reviewers who played this game before release and very few made a mention about the micro transactions and some were also a little surprised about it. Your intent doesn’t matter if you can’t show it well, whatever you’re posting definitely looks like you don’t mind this behaviour and were should stop criticising it. It is 110% fine to criticise something you love, if you don’t then you’re biased and your opinion won’t be taken seriously. Also you don’t have to defend a shitty corpo decision if that’s what you’re doing, definitely seems like it anyway.
Capcom would kill you if they thought it profitable. Don’t feel a need to defend these guys.
I have zero sympathy for those who got scammed. Actually, I think this whole thing is kinda hilarious.
You just have to bringt up an infinitesimal amount of self control. Don’t preorder. And you failed. Again.
I always remember cartman about pre-orders. All you get is a big dick on your mouth
Last game I pre-ordered was Diablo 3. You might know why that was the last time I did that.
Out of the 25 English language reviews of Dragon’s Dogma 2‘s PC version on Metacritic, only two mention the microtransactions.
What the fuck.
They got bait and switched is my understanding. The game they played included the content from the micro transactions without them being informed they weren’t part of the base game.
This kind of behavior should be enough for outlets to blacklist developers. But since they don’t/wont/can’t band together to do that, they have no say in how games are reviewed.
Not mentioning micro transactions is equivalent to not mentioning the price. Why review a game if you don’t know if it will be $50 or $100 at launch?
Capcom basically asked them to review a game that doesn’t even exist, they asked them to review a dev build.
They should automatically deduct 3 points from the publisher’s titles for “X” amount of time when they pull this shit.
Anyone that reviews a game in advance of release knows they are playing a different game than the release version. The guy in the article even stated they told him exactly what he was getting, but he didn’t READ it. Then afterwards felt entitled to those things in another SKU and so wrote a hit piece that everyone, that also didn’t look at the store page, is now all fired up about.
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This is only partially true. Reviewers know that the exact build and exact code aren’t final when reviewing, that is true and normal. The reviewer does however expect that gameplay systems, graphics, audio, and the rest are mostly complete with only minor tweaks needed. The game should be 99% done by the time reviewers have it.
Yet nowadays the game is not 99% done. This even applies to huge day 1 patches. Like great you patched stuff but also reviewers can’t assess performance and bugs properly for consumers that way. Same is true of monetization which is a huge factor for enjoyment in modern games.
This is misinformation. No “bait and switch” occurred at all. You have to go out of your way to even find the micro-transactions, and then when you do they are useless if you have actually played your way through the game. Reviewers got all of this in detail with their review keys, but adding time into your review to talk about something that is basically an afterthought and has no affect on the actual game seems like a waste of time. These people are all rushing to release content as soon as the embargo is lifted. So putting extra time into a review to talk about something 99% of people will never see does not have a great return on effort.
thats part of the reason why i stopped trusting reviewers
The whole thing is a scam. Their entire business model is dependent on receiving early access games so hype will drive some ad revenue. How many early access games will they get if they give bad reviews?
To stop this, gamers would basically have to union up and full boycott any developer who did not give early access to their union’s reviewers. I don’t see that happening any time soon.
Yep, and to keep that access to games (and their livelihood) most of them have to talk well about games or risk being cut off.
I wonder if more games will go the Lost Ark route and make the massive paywall at the endgame. Then reviewers will play the games for 30+ hours and it’s still fun, but then hit that endpoint and if you don’t open up your wallet you don’t go anywhere.
Paywall at the end is some sociopathic behavior previously unknown to me. I have to respect the ingenuity of that, even though it is despicable.
It’s why Lost Ark fell off so hard.
I played it for a while and it is some of the best ARPG out there. The cities feel lively and the world was great, even got a boat. But then realizing with the endgame in order to get groups it was either farm eight hours a day or start spending money. Lots of money. No thanks
I always wait until the Steam reviews about a week after. Has kept me from making a few mistakes.
I still have Starfield a try since it is included in Xbox Gamepass and holy hell, if I paid $10 for that game it would have been a rip off. It was about as exciting as watching shampoo commercials after taking three tabs of Xanax.
I refunded it because it ran like shit. This just makes me even sadder.
how did we end up in a reality where people are actively defending a 70$ release priced game that is single player AND has micro-transactions. A game like this should be thrown into the garbage and everyone should be unified on that. Like it being single player ALONE should make it so it doesn’t have MT’s but it has both SP and a 70$ price point?
Because enough people shell out money for things we used to get just by purchasing the game.
I’d wager half the current buyers of games nowadays don’t even remember a time before dlc was ever even a thing. So to them this is just what gaming is.
Cause the micro transactions are literally pointless. The only people complaining are the people who haven’t played the game enough to know that NOTHING in the dlc is worth paying for. If you played the game for the first few hours, you’d earn more RC just by killing shit then the highest dlc package offers. Ferrystone are loot or gold. Barber shop costs gold too. Nothing is even that expensive.
The game is LITERALLY exactly like the first game except more content. The micro transactions might as well be called donations.
If you are ok with this, you are naive and not thinking about what will happen next. They will obviously push this bar higher with next game if they feel like it’s acceptable because people didn’t protest enough. Next game you might find yourself having to buy map access because they will say it’s more realistic to play the game without the map, and then add micro transaction for it. Defending and accepting practices like this is basically destroying our gaming future. That’s exactly how we ended up with games like Diablo 4 Micro transactions + 70 euro + paid expansions + battlepass in one game and there are still people defending it.
Dude. I get that. If that was the case here I’d be up in arms too. But it’s not. Not even close. This is the equivalent of complaining that you didn’t get the “Twin Humanities” starting gift in dark souls. It honestly is inconsequential to the experience while playing the game. NOTHING is worth paying for and anyone saying that hasn’t played the long enough to realize that. The game is perfectly playable in every aspect and you miss out on nothing.
It’s not about being worthy or not. It’s about pushing a new status quo of being acceptable to have MTXs on a 70 USD game.
I’m sorry but the whole point is the principle of it, I a consumer, and spending $70 ( which may I add is still at least $10 more MSRP than your typical game) which is single player, which pointlessly requires an internet connection(at least to start the game), has a full-blown anti-cheat(well technically an Anti-Tamper) and has microtransactions. The only thing this is missing is a battle pass and you have every aspect that the majority of the game Community hates.
This game is literally the embodiment of corporate greed and people buying the game regardless of that and saying “oh the microtransactions are able to be obtained in game anyway” are just eating the corporate “shit-pie”.
How and why companies do this, I don’t understand. Way to kill what would’ve been a great game
Money. Even if 5 people scream and get a refund or don’t buy it there will be 100 that don’t care and just pay. It’s the same with every bad thing like preorder, dlc after dlc, microtransactions for cosmetics more expensive than an full title indie game or pay to win in a full price triple a game (like star wars battlefront 2). In the end the group of people just buying is bigger.
Mostly negative is a terrible ad by itself. I am buying only games with either very positive or overwhelmingly positive ratings. Those reviews are tanking their sales I am sure.
I hope so and I’m the same when it comes to buying games, but e.g. the steam charts telling another story. Most people seem to not care about negative reviews especially if it’s a game they heard about before.
It is shocking how many people there are in this thread that try to downplay this. And the sad thing is, most if not all of them arent getting paid a dime to shill.
Not really normal people though, it’s a PR team.
Yarrrrr. There be no such troubles on the high seas
Is there a cracked version floating around yet?
Denuvo, so no
Also no empress, so not for some time
Currently, the shill /u/[email protected] makes up 22 of the 116 comments in this thread and all are baselessly defending this game
If you have an opinion, /u/[email protected] doesn’t want to hear it and will tell you you’re wrong
I just have a problem with people spreading misinformation like a parrot with something they “heard somewhere”. You are basically spreading lies, and when confronted have doubled down on them. Does speaking truth to lies make me the enemy now? Bragging about being uninformed and spreading misinformation does not seem like a great hill to die on personally, but to each their own. You are free to speak your lies, but I will continue to call them out as such.
Mods, is this community about spreading misinformation?? If so I’m more than happy to leave the community, and ban it as such from my instance.
speaking truth to lies
Whoa buddy, don’t come in here acting like you’re the gaming prophet or something
“I think” or “I heard” cannot be lies unless you don’t think or didn’t hear (respectively) said thing
You are telling people their opinions are wrong and you are telling people they didn’t hear something. Your actions are counterproductive to what you’re trying to do. Almost nothing gets people to refuse to change their mind better than calling them liars and telling them that their opinions are wrong. Root issues and facts, fine. Opinions, not fine
I don’t care if they’re for stuff that easily obtainable, I don’t care that all of the other capcom games have been doing it too, I don’t care that its a fun game. $70 and having ANY MTX is bullshit.
Honest question since you have clearly played the game for a number of hours. How did the micro-transactions that you needed to go out of your way to even find, and are worthless after having actually played through the game, effect your game play? Was it because nothing in game is affected by them? Or was it that CAPCOM does nothing to push you towards them?
It was the fact that apparently nobody even knew they were their until somebody went out of their way to discover them that has affected my game play so much! How dare they put these useless items available for real dollars that only a fool would buy, and then after doing so only to find out they are useless. It has basically ruined my whole world, I may never game again! The horror! /s
I’ll take the obvious bait here. The issue is that paying for a full game should give you a full game. For now the MTXs are like you said, for small items and not game changing. For now.
If the gaming community accepts this, who knows what the next step will be? Maybe they’ll be kept small, but maybe they won’t.
Remember this is the the same industry selling horse armor, selling over 2k dollars of dlc in the Sims 4, shipping unfinished games after millionaire pre-orders, and selling dlc that fix day one problems that shouldn’t even be there. And they do this because the community never questioned when they were small enough problems.
Do you even understand the point of microtransactions in these situations? When used for items in the game that you can just get by playing the game, did you even consider what involves getting these items? Like does it become tedious? Takes too long to find? Takes up I ventory space? You can only sometimes find them at a vendor?I mean CAPCOM could’ve made them easily accessible for you. Fast travel kits have no weight, buy them at any store. Customize your character? Sure just setup camp or go to a mirror to do it for free. But no, they created a system that is so subtle that it completely goes over your sheep brain and you either choose to ignore it or cope with the tediousness of getting these items and even if you don’t buy the MTX the fact that there are some poor schmucks our there who will probably buy them because of the shitty system setup in DD2 is fucked up enough to be pissed about it, especially for a $70 game. CAPCOM didn’t just do this to do this, actually think for a second. They obviously chose these items strategically to get those few people who say “eh I’ll just buy this item real quick since it’s only 0.50 and convenient”. It should be convenient in the fucking $70 single player game itself!!
that you needed to go out of your way to even find
CAPCOM does nothing to push you towards them
Hey Tim, go ahead and open up the game’s page on any storefront and try to find the system requirements before you see the DLC.
People aren’t saying that the items are useful. It would be even worse if they were. The decision to sell microtransactions in a single player RPG, regardless of how useful the things you get for them are, is inherently scummy. It’s worth calling it out regardless of how useless the items are.
The full list of all available dlc is easily seen on the steam store page before you even buy it. The rest was covered well by another poster.
I am a FIRM believer that a quality product will net you more sales than any cheap tricks will and if you really come out with a banger then you always have the option to add a MEANINGFUL DLC addition down the line, instead of content you made at the same time you made the base game and just decided to wall off and “release” later.
How many hours do you have in game? Had you played you would know that nothing available is “walled off”. It is actually the opposite, and the stuff is basically useless to buy since you can acquire all of it through a normal play through of the game. No place in the game do you even feel like “oh man, I really need to buy that DLC or else this part is going to be impossible/different/less than/etc.”.
And it’s clear the people getting everyone all riled up about this stuff did not play the game either (or are acting in bad faith).
Tbh, I kinda get both sides here. The precedent thats unfolding, not even being set, since this isnt the first game to do so, is bad enough to stain the game and be worth being pissed about. But also, since the entire game can be enjoyed ignoring the DLC even exists, its a fun enough game in a slightly more niche category that its also worth ignoring the precedent
edit: Aside from the nuance part of things. I personally am not super bothered by the precedent because I’ve sworn off AAA games for at least a decade now. The precedent that games of that investment level are going to use any shitty psychological trick to drain as much of that investment back from you has long been already set. An AAA game now has to prove its worth buying to me at this point, and my gaming experience has actually improved because we are currently in a golden era of Indie games anyways.
In the interest of clearing up this continuing deluge of misinformation, I think cowboy at the end of his stream today said it better than I did earlier today. Plus he is likely to know more than anyone here as he had completed both endings before release with his advanced copy.
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You really need to develop an identity. Your behavior in this thread is extremely concerning.
Because I"m not OK with people continuing to spread dishonest information? That is a weird take. The amount of purposeful ignorance to the facts has become contagious around here. I try and point out how none of the shit talking around here carries any water, and somehow I’m the one that should be concerned. I did not realize I had stumbled onto Facebook, my bad. I’ll let you get on with your misinformation farm, you have another election to deny coming up, must be a busy time of year for you.
I get you man. I see your struggle. It’s okay to take something silly like a videogame. These people acting like they are above it while they are talking too. I still think the micro transactions fucking suck but I see you.
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