But yes, I was in favor of that peace. If you want to go back further, we could have avoided the whole civil war if the US didn’t back a coup, and it could have been smothered in the cradle if the right were purged from the parliament and army in 2014 or any time after, it could have ended without an invasion if Minsk II was simply enforced.
… and what about the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine remaining part of Ukraine? Is that not an option?
The russian-speaking parts of Ukraine are occupied by Russia. To change this would require a longer war and more death, all to annex regions that already voted once to join Russia after nearly a decade of civil war.
Given what was going on during the civil war, even if Russia unilaterally abandoned the territory, there would not be an end to the destruction.
I mean you’re not wrong that it wasn’t organic beyond a brief moment near the start of Maidan, before right-wing paramilitaries started sniping cops and massacring civilians and “volunteers” started showing up from both sides, but calling the civil war an invasion seems disingenuous.
Not that that justifies either side supporting right-wing militias in Ukraine.
I’m not sure which instance you’re talking about.
Do you mean the one in March 2022 that was torpedoed by Boris Johnson, resulting in Zelenskyy adding such realistic conditions as Putin stepping down before talks can begin after the US/UK gave greater assurances of support.
But yes, I was in favor of that peace. If you want to go back further, we could have avoided the whole civil war if the US didn’t back a coup, and it could have been smothered in the cradle if the right were purged from the parliament and army in 2014 or any time after, it could have ended without an invasion if Minsk II was simply enforced.
The russian-speaking parts of Ukraine are occupied by Russia. To change this would require a longer war and more death, all to annex regions that already voted once to join Russia after nearly a decade of civil war.
Given what was going on during the civil war, even if Russia unilaterally abandoned the territory, there would not be an end to the destruction.
“If the US didn’t back a coup”
“already voted once to join Russia”
lmao
And you wonder why no one takes you lot seriously.
Putin is genociding Ukraine.
stop supporting this, thanks.
This is incorrect. It was torpedoed by Ukrainians finding out about the Bucha massacre about a week earlier.
Who should have “enforced” Russia to move their soldiers out of Donbas and how?
What is this cicil war you keep talking about?
Russian-backed separatists in the Donbass.
The one in Ukraine following Maidan, from 2014 until the invasion.
The invasion started in 2014. It was not an organic movement.
I mean you’re not wrong that it wasn’t organic beyond a brief moment near the start of Maidan, before right-wing paramilitaries started sniping cops and massacring civilians and “volunteers” started showing up from both sides, but calling the civil war an invasion seems disingenuous.
Not that that justifies either side supporting right-wing militias in Ukraine.
So uh … Russia invaded the Sovereign nation of Ukraine.
It’s a civil war in the same way the USA invading Mexico would be a civil war.
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Dude, Russia literally invaded the country and annexed part of it, in 2014.
The USA didn’t invade Ukraine. That was Russia.