• originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com
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    because life is less important than ‘honor’ or some such nonsense.

    religion is a vestigial trait that must be culled. a crutch of the weak mind humans no longer require

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      It seems a lot of humans still require it though, that’s the whole problem imho. If everyone was on the same page it would have disappeared or be no more than folklore same for the rest of legends and such like.

      But a lot of humans still have a long way to go and waaaayyyy too many are preying on them while too little of us are steering towards betterment…

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        a lot of humans require it, or a lot of humans are raised in an environment where they have no choice?

        i suspect the number of people that require religion for psychological reasons is quite small. the rest are just indoctrinated

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          A lot of people still required it for spiritual reasons. Atheism is not for everyone and some still need directions from a superior force in order to put their values/lives in order.

          I’m find that behaviour naive and kind of foolish, but as long as they are respectful with others and don’t try to convert everyone else I don’t see a problem.

          That’s said, Christians are way less indoctrinated and usually are freely to choose, at least in my experience ( western europe ). If that’s possible is thanks to the historically separation of church and state, which is something the other 2 big religions dosnt seem to like.

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            if you were raised in an environment where the truth of ‘spirituality’ is that its completely fake, would they still require it?

            if all of the worlds children were raised without religion or spirituality, would it still be a requirement?

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            We don’t need spirituality but it will enrich a life if done with love and compassion for all regardless of gender sex identity geography or color or anything. I am the same as you reading this, had I been born in your situation with ypur life and your parents my 'best thinking would be your best thinking. Humans are an expression of circumstance privlage mostly with some individual aspects …

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          I dont think theres so few. A lot of people have a need to be led. And if it isnt religion and gods it is something else. Like “leaders”. Like the golden(-ish) cow the US’ republicans are worshiping.

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              I believe MOST people have such a strong need to follow something that they will ignore or invent justification for the morality of it. And I dont think one can learn that, rather one has to learn NOT to follow. But I’m no psychiatrist.

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                we are social beings, we require each others company. that some will lead and others will follow is a natural, psychological state of our species. that said, at no point is religion or spirituality required for that process.

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      I agree on principle, and I’m an atheist myself.

      But the concept of faith, with a set of never changing rules and the ability to categorize things easily into good and bad, is far more persuasive and powerful than the vague assembly of progressive values associated with a belief in rationality. Also, a massive part of the human population is centering their life around their respective assembly of mystified guidelines and ethics, and the search for a spiritual truth is also very ingrained and inherent to the human condition.

      Simply removing that wont work without replacing the void with a new belief system and ethics code.

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        i disagree. the thirst for religion is almost entirely because we, as children, are indoctrinated before we even have the ability of choice.

        i would suspect a generation raised without religion at all would not require, or even desire religious ideals.

        i disagree that a religious framework is ever required for morality or rule-creation in absolutely any capacity. its superfluous.