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But I’ve been seeing for weeks how Israel has agreed to a framework for a ceasefire and that it’s Hamas refusing to negotiate…
I’ve only been seeing that it’s Hamas somewhat agreeing to a ceasefire and Israel keeps refusing, which lines up with the reality of the situation.
Maybe find some better news sources that aren’t Israeli propaganda?
The last I saw was Israel will not negotiate any further until a list of hostages still alive is released. Lines up nicely with the ICJ report that calls for all hostages to be released immediately and unconditionally.
Has this been brought forward?
How does that line up with the ICJ report? Try asking Netanyahu to stop killing hostages.
Every hostage that has been released said the scariest thing for them was israel trying to kill them
Okay most of us here want the hostages to be released, but an immediate and unconditional release of the hostages is basically a carte blanche for their genocide. The lesser evil should be clear here.
We will never agree. They must return the hostages and we might grant them a swift death.
Can’t wait till the rest of society starts treating Zionists like Nazis.
As a Jewish American, I can. Thanks to Israel, I get faced with a lot more antisemitic bullshit, especially from people who think that, as a Jew, I must support Israel. Once society does decide Israelis are the same as Nazis, people like me are kind of fucked.
I blame Israel, obviously. They’ve emboldened antisemites in the rest of the world and created new ones.
Zionists, Israelis and Jews aren’t (and shouldn’t be treated as) the same group, though. I mean there are ignorant people who don’t understand the difference, but ignorant people are gonna be ignorant either way.
When you see nonsense like that remember that they’re talking about a temporary ceasefire. Even if Israel wanted that (they don’t) Hamas has every right to refuse after they handed over half the hostages and the genocide continued a week later.
Hamas can surrender and release the hostages at any time…
We can play this game. We can trade shots back into history until we get to the very beginning of this situation, but I don’t think you’ll like the answer you find. Colonizing and displacing locals by force to create the state of Israel would be the inciting event.
But they’ll claim it was their home 2000 years ago because a fiction novel says so. But they never question who are these people living on “their” land and where did they come from?
This requires ignoring that generic studies of modern Palestinians against bronze age burials remains concludes there is genetic continuity.
The religious texts aren’t an accurate historical record, but it is a fact that the Jewish culture and religion formed in that region. It’s backed up by multiple disciplines of study. Where do you think Judaism comes from if not the Levant?
I think you missed the point. The people being murdered in Gaza are the descendants of those Jews. Populations change religions, like how Greece is no longer pagan. Just because they are no longer Jewish, does not deny their indigeneity. And the fact that someone is Jewish does not entitle them to indigenous status.
There have been times in the past when the Jewish population was largely displaced or converted, but there have been some number of Jewish people living there for thousands of years.
Genetic testing shows that 75% of modern Jewish people are descended from that region.
I’m not arguing entitlements or indigenous status, I’m saying that there’s ample scientific evidence regarding Judaism coming from the Levant.
To the surprise of nobody on the entire planet except
Don’t forget the fact that the US continues to support Israel through all this.
In what way? Source?
Shielding them from the UN?
Adding $14.1 billion in aid to the border bill?
Shipping weapons?
I really don’t see how you cannot know about this very well known stuff, so I’ve gotta question the motives of your post.
It might be difficult as Israel has threatened the use of Nuclear weaponry in the past if the US were to stop their aid.
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador informed President Nixon that “very serious conclusions” may occur if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.
North Korea threatens the US with nukes all the time, and yet no one is bowing down to the Kim’s demands.
Israel has 3 options with its nuke threat, empty words and become an international pariah state, nuke Palestine and by extension itself, or nuke the US.
None of those options end well for Israel.
So who cares about such a empty threat.
IIRC some of the radical extremely right wing Israeli figures have been suggesting that the last-ditch Samson option would be to nuke basically anyone they can in retaliation for the destruction of Israel.
In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Second Intifada then in progress threatened Israel’s existence. Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst’s The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
That’s what North Korea says as well.
Still doesn’t mean the US is supplying North Korea with weapons.
The US is one of dozens of countries sending military aid to Israel, who has been an active defender of UD interests and especially democracy in a non-democratic region for 80 years under over a dozen administrative.
If the US dogs all weapons tomorrow, they still have enough weapons for an indefinite war and the us throws away any diplomatic leverage.
Biden has gone from complete support to directly contradicting netanyahu that the US won’t support an extended war and that the US is focused on a 2-state solution and that Israel wind down their current massacre.
Israel didn’t, Biden met and talked with netanyahus political rival.
Biden sent direct humanitarian aid against netanyahus wishes.
Biden is opening up a port to safely deliver more Palestinian aid against netanyahus wishes.
For the leader of a country indirectly involved in the war, Biden is doing a lot in four months to diplomatically address the massacre.
Immediately cutting off all weapons to a 70-yeat tacit and 50-year very active ally would severely damage the trust and reputation of the US to its committed allies.
Cutting off all aid also means that Israel has no reason to listen to the us at all now or in the future and the us throws away all credibility as an indirect influential ally diplomatically drawing down the massacre.
Talking with political opponents to netanyahu, sending aid, starting publicly that they won’t support an extended war, setting up a humanitarian pathway against their wishes, these are direct diplomatic actions appropriate for the role of an indirectly involved ally.
Biden and the US are still supplying them with weapons and money, and shielding them from the UN.
Just because they drop a few meagre bits of aid and share some empty rhetoric doesn’t change shit.
Biden and the US are still directly contributing to the war, that is the only thing that matters.
Yes, providing aid to your ally’s enemy does change shit.
And opening up a sustained aid pathway in direct defiance of your ally’s military policy and stated wishes definitely changes shit.
US aid to Israel is not the only thing that matters, it is one small part, not very important with current Israeli stockpiles and the dozens of other countries that are supporting them anyway, the US stopping all military aid tomorrow would not affect the Israeli military for years.
No.
It is very fucking important. You don’t fight a fire by actively dumping fuel into it.
If it takes a few weeks for their stockpiles to run out, than the best time to stop aid was weeks ago, the second best time is today.
Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
And if the US doesn’t stop tomorrow they can continue forever.
It’s a very basic concept here, stop defending weapons to genociders.
