• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I always love how the utopia you push for completely ignores the existence of disabled people. Can’t ride a bike? Just die!

    • lemming934@lemmy.sdf.org
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      8 months ago

      I don’t think you have thought this through enough.

      Car infrastructure takes up the most space, so making a city for driving necessarily exludes other forms of transportation: think about what multi lane highways and giant parking lots does to a city.

      On the other hand, excluding (or just minimizing) cars allows these other forms of transportation to flourish. Busses, trains, biking, scooting, walking, wheel chairs, those golf cart things disabled people use in the Netherlands.

      Certainly you understand that many disabled people can not use cars: blind people, epileptic people, elderly people, young people, broke people (though lack of income is not traditionaly considered a disability, it can be disabilitating in a car dependent hypercapitalistic society like the US).

      There is no one solution for transportation of the disabled, so it’s important to have lots of options. This is impossible if your neighborhood is car dependent

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      8 months ago

      I was going to write a snarky comment, but instead I’ll try to gain insight into your perspective.

      What disabilities allow you to drive a car, but prevent you from walking, cycling or taking the bus?

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        8 months ago

        What disabilities allow you to drive a car, but prevent you from walking, cycling or taking the bus?

        To clarify/add to this: walking or cycling also includes mobility devices that can use this infrastructure such as walkers, wheelchairs, and scooters. Taking this to the extreme, the Netherlands has microcars which allow people with handicaps to drive at low speed on bike infrastructure. Some even allow wheelchair user to roll right in (also shown in the video at 1m07s).

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      8 months ago

      I think that’s unfair, in a city for example every equipment made for bikes, like a bridge above a road with lots of traffic or smooth road crossings, make the life of disabled easier too. I’m thinking about wheelchairs, but I guess it’s true even for people who struggle with walking too. And to me, the “fuck cars” Utopia is certainly way more inclusive for the disabled than the current situation.