They don’t create new product categories. What they do is enter an existing category, do it the Apple Way, which is generally high-quality and integrated well into their ecosystem, and thus they become the default in people’s minds.
They’ve almost never done anything new, but they integrate existing technologies better than almost every other company.
Everything, all of that existed way before Apple. Just because you are ignorant of history doesn’t make your point right. Apple got all of their ideas from interacting with other companies in private, then stealing their ideas. Jobs was no longer invited to certain demos because of that kind of shenanigans. And oh god, OSX is NOT build directly from UNIX. It’s BSD which they scrapped from the NeXT computer. Everything you are spouting is just wrong. Apple is just good at marketing to chumps who care more about status and looks than usability, and who just buy into the cult mentality and lap all of Apple’s bullshit without rubbing two neurons together long enough to notice they are being scalped with overpriced crap.
Yeah, the circlejerking and dog piling from people who have no idea what they are talking about is actually far worse here than it was at Reddit - but just know, we aren’t all as misinformed as these people. You’re absolutely correct.
You’re making up a lot of stuff, Xerox had a gui UI for a whole decade before apple and they certainly weren’t the only ones.
The MP3 player they made was literally just a feature limited version of already popular devices. I got my arcos a year before the first apple device was released and it had every single feature that apple would slowly add in every new expensive version over the next decade
Apple does hype and marketing, that’s their innovation - taking a feature restricted version of a technology and getting celebrities and media idiots to pretend it’s the best thing in the world and actively ignore or discount the many better options.
The problem with your iPod comparison is most likely you didnt use a good MP3 player. They existed before iPod, they just didnt get the marketing blitz Apple did. Cowon comes to mind, and had much better quality audio.
The iPhone was copying what MS had innovated with Windows Mobile 2005 (a fully usable mobile phone that didn’t need physical buttons.) Issue was 3rd parties kept putting keyboards on the phones, so Microsoft created their Surface range to help stop these blunders.
As for your other comments, the iPad was Apple rushing to compete with Android tablets like the Android Vega.
Apple was always noted as having low res (1600x900 screens) while everyone was moving hi res like 1080p. You can thank the PC world for those, or you most likely still be using a 1600x900 screen.
TouchID? Fingerprint scanners have been on laptops for at least 15 years.
Face ID? You mean Windows Hello with MS’s Kinect technology?
OSX was innovative… by dropping their own macOS coded OS in favor of using someone elses work? Ok… odd flex there…
OSX came out at the same time as WinXP, not 95… Worst. Apple. History. Revisionist. Ever.
The first wireless earbuds were released in 2014, long before airpods. And companies like Sony already made them common and popular before airpods.
As for the Vision Pro, its literally Apple aping Microsoft (again). Its called the HoloLens, came out in 2016. Here is a TED talk about it.
Hey man, pick one. Are we supposed to debunk your comment point by point, like you demanded of me. Or is it wasting minutes to destroy your corporate dribble. Make up your mind.
Here’s a new fallacy for you baby, this one doesn’t have big words so it is easier to remember: “moving the goalpost”.
MS got their original UI from Xerox, just like Apple copied as well. The difference was, Apple was sued for the copying.
As for Android, what about it? It was started in 2003 by Android Inc, and Google bought it in 2005 to build a “handheld mobile device”. You know, when Steve Jobs was showing the Moto Rokr, Apples failed first foray into smartphones? Apple just looked around, saw Microsoft was building for the modern smartphone and even Google was already getting a jump start into it as well.
And well, this being Apple, they just copied someone else (big shocker here…) And they ripped off LG, but LG in the end didn’t sue. It’s well known that the LG Prada was shown off (and won the iF Design Award) in Sept of 2006. 5 months later, a (now known) glitchy prototype that even when released wasn’t complete (no cut and paste).
The real issue for you isn’t your “done seeking out a non-group think argument”, the reality is you are desperately looking for a group-think group that only sees Apple as some all mighty and infallible company that can do no wrong and none can do better than them. I wish you the best of luck finding such a group, but as you’ve noticed, it won’t be here.
PS, I forgot add about the “128 kbps”… yeah, about that. 192 kbps were a thing then. And still, no, they don’t “all sound the same”. Good MP3 players have a good hardware DAC, and the iPod didn’t have a good one. Cowon did though
They existed before iPod, they just didnt get the marketing blitz Apple did. Cowon comes to mind, and had much better quality audio.
I did some research on this, because I was a big fan of MP3 players in the late 90s early 2000s and never heard of them. Turns out that the only Cowon Mp3 player I could find from around the iPod launch was the iAudio CW200, which had a capacity of 256MB.
This explains why I had never heard of it, as I was shopping for HDD-based players that could hold my entire library(I was looking at PJB, Nomad, Archos, etc).
Sorry but this illustrates OP’s point. The iPod was the smallest HDD-based player on the market for years, all the other HDD players were chunky and could barely fit in a pocket. All the flash-based players had pitiful capacity. It wasn’t that there were no MP3 players, it was that all the products had compromises that made them not ready for mass adoption.
While OP is overstating some things, your counter examples are rife with oversights like this.
As an example you are badmouthing Apple’s “low resolution displays”, while missing the fact that the MacBook Pro was the first ever mass market high dpi laptop. Ironically Samsung had produced a limited production laptop with a similar screen, but because Samsung lacks focus and had 1000 different laptop SKUs, they didn’t make it a premiere feature of their brand, instead Apple simply bought out Samsung’s entire manufacturing capacity for years and put them in their laptops.
This is the pattern. There are interesting technologies, but they are in products with mediocre design or appeal, and are not mass produced. Apple identifies these technologies, optimizes them, integrates them, ensures that there is a good user experience, makes a million of them, makes a billion on that, then changes the entire landscape of the market they entered by virtue of their success.
The iPod was so derivative of the creative labs mp3 player that Apple ultimately had to pay them $100 million.
The Lisa and later the Macintosh copied from xerox. Something that everyone was doing around then. Amiga and Atari ST both had guis. Hell even the commodore 64 had Geos. The Mac didn’t even get color until 1987.
Handspring had a smart phone, complete with touch screen and apps, years before the iPhone.
Mac os didn’t have proper multitasking until version 7.5, years after Windows had it.
They don’t create new product categories. What they do is enter an existing category, do it the Apple Way, which is generally high-quality and integrated well into their ecosystem, and thus they become the default in people’s minds.
They’ve almost never done anything new, but they integrate existing technologies better than almost every other company.
“Finding the application is half the innovation”
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Everything, all of that existed way before Apple. Just because you are ignorant of history doesn’t make your point right. Apple got all of their ideas from interacting with other companies in private, then stealing their ideas. Jobs was no longer invited to certain demos because of that kind of shenanigans. And oh god, OSX is NOT build directly from UNIX. It’s BSD which they scrapped from the NeXT computer. Everything you are spouting is just wrong. Apple is just good at marketing to chumps who care more about status and looks than usability, and who just buy into the cult mentality and lap all of Apple’s bullshit without rubbing two neurons together long enough to notice they are being scalped with overpriced crap.
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Good boy, you learned ad-hominem. Now, tell me which other big words you know?
Yeah, the circlejerking and dog piling from people who have no idea what they are talking about is actually far worse here than it was at Reddit - but just know, we aren’t all as misinformed as these people. You’re absolutely correct.
You’re making up a lot of stuff, Xerox had a gui UI for a whole decade before apple and they certainly weren’t the only ones.
The MP3 player they made was literally just a feature limited version of already popular devices. I got my arcos a year before the first apple device was released and it had every single feature that apple would slowly add in every new expensive version over the next decade
Apple does hype and marketing, that’s their innovation - taking a feature restricted version of a technology and getting celebrities and media idiots to pretend it’s the best thing in the world and actively ignore or discount the many better options.
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The problem with your iPod comparison is most likely you didnt use a good MP3 player. They existed before iPod, they just didnt get the marketing blitz Apple did. Cowon comes to mind, and had much better quality audio.
The iPhone was copying what MS had innovated with Windows Mobile 2005 (a fully usable mobile phone that didn’t need physical buttons.) Issue was 3rd parties kept putting keyboards on the phones, so Microsoft created their Surface range to help stop these blunders.
As for your other comments, the iPad was Apple rushing to compete with Android tablets like the Android Vega.
Apple was always noted as having low res (1600x900 screens) while everyone was moving hi res like 1080p. You can thank the PC world for those, or you most likely still be using a 1600x900 screen.
TouchID? Fingerprint scanners have been on laptops for at least 15 years.
Face ID? You mean Windows Hello with MS’s Kinect technology?
OSX was innovative… by dropping their own macOS coded OS in favor of using someone elses work? Ok… odd flex there…
OSX came out at the same time as WinXP, not 95… Worst. Apple. History. Revisionist. Ever.
The first wireless earbuds were released in 2014, long before airpods. And companies like Sony already made them common and popular before airpods.
As for the Vision Pro, its literally Apple aping Microsoft (again). Its called the HoloLens, came out in 2016. Here is a TED talk about it.
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Hey man, pick one. Are we supposed to debunk your comment point by point, like you demanded of me. Or is it wasting minutes to destroy your corporate dribble. Make up your mind.
Here’s a new fallacy for you baby, this one doesn’t have big words so it is easier to remember: “moving the goalpost”.
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Objectively not smart
And you complained about reddit. Dude, you are the worst of reddit. What a disgrace you moved here.
Though since I’m bored, I’ll bite again.
MS got their original UI from Xerox, just like Apple copied as well. The difference was, Apple was sued for the copying.
As for Android, what about it? It was started in 2003 by Android Inc, and Google bought it in 2005 to build a “handheld mobile device”. You know, when Steve Jobs was showing the Moto Rokr, Apples failed first foray into smartphones? Apple just looked around, saw Microsoft was building for the modern smartphone and even Google was already getting a jump start into it as well.
And well, this being Apple, they just copied someone else (big shocker here…) And they ripped off LG, but LG in the end didn’t sue. It’s well known that the LG Prada was shown off (and won the iF Design Award) in Sept of 2006. 5 months later, a (now known) glitchy prototype that even when released wasn’t complete (no cut and paste).
The real issue for you isn’t your “done seeking out a non-group think argument”, the reality is you are desperately looking for a group-think group that only sees Apple as some all mighty and infallible company that can do no wrong and none can do better than them. I wish you the best of luck finding such a group, but as you’ve noticed, it won’t be here.
PS, I forgot add about the “128 kbps”… yeah, about that. 192 kbps were a thing then. And still, no, they don’t “all sound the same”. Good MP3 players have a good hardware DAC, and the iPod didn’t have a good one. Cowon did though
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I did some research on this, because I was a big fan of MP3 players in the late 90s early 2000s and never heard of them. Turns out that the only Cowon Mp3 player I could find from around the iPod launch was the iAudio CW200, which had a capacity of 256MB.
This explains why I had never heard of it, as I was shopping for HDD-based players that could hold my entire library(I was looking at PJB, Nomad, Archos, etc).
Sorry but this illustrates OP’s point. The iPod was the smallest HDD-based player on the market for years, all the other HDD players were chunky and could barely fit in a pocket. All the flash-based players had pitiful capacity. It wasn’t that there were no MP3 players, it was that all the products had compromises that made them not ready for mass adoption.
While OP is overstating some things, your counter examples are rife with oversights like this.
As an example you are badmouthing Apple’s “low resolution displays”, while missing the fact that the MacBook Pro was the first ever mass market high dpi laptop. Ironically Samsung had produced a limited production laptop with a similar screen, but because Samsung lacks focus and had 1000 different laptop SKUs, they didn’t make it a premiere feature of their brand, instead Apple simply bought out Samsung’s entire manufacturing capacity for years and put them in their laptops.
This is the pattern. There are interesting technologies, but they are in products with mediocre design or appeal, and are not mass produced. Apple identifies these technologies, optimizes them, integrates them, ensures that there is a good user experience, makes a million of them, makes a billion on that, then changes the entire landscape of the market they entered by virtue of their success.
Everyone says I’m dumb when I simp for a shitty corporation that exists on hype alone
It must be because I’m so superior to every tech community on the web and they’re circlejetking
Lol
The iPod was so derivative of the creative labs mp3 player that Apple ultimately had to pay them $100 million.
The Lisa and later the Macintosh copied from xerox. Something that everyone was doing around then. Amiga and Atari ST both had guis. Hell even the commodore 64 had Geos. The Mac didn’t even get color until 1987.
Handspring had a smart phone, complete with touch screen and apps, years before the iPhone.
Mac os didn’t have proper multitasking until version 7.5, years after Windows had it.
Onkyo created the first true wireless earbuds.