This is great, they think it is a 4d chess(*) move they pull on people. They think it both outs people who take offense and preselects your friend group for people you can convert into neo-nazism. And anybody who takes offense gets to look like a crazy person and leaves.
What actually happens is that people don’t always react to your slurs directly but certainly talk among each other, this will close doors for you and cause people to deprioritize you as a friend. You will just get invited less and ‘forgotten’ by people (unless they suffer from the geek social fallacies, but geeks do talk to each other about those), you will get the reputation as the n-word guy, and people will warn others about you, like you are a broken stair. It also creates a culture of shittesting your friends and regularly testing your friends to see if they match up with your ideals or are ‘good friends’ is a very toxic way to instill paranoia in yourself and reduce the amount of friendships and professional opportunities you have. So I’d suggest he carries on with it, ow sorry ‘his friend’.
*: it is 4d chess, in a sense that he made up his own rules, they are way more complicated than needed, don’t actually add anything compared to normal 2d/3d chess, and by playing a different game than the rest of the world you are actually just making illegal moves which ensure people will not play with you anymore. Confusing a social game for an intellectual game.
E: forgot to ask, who is this dweeb again? Answered my own question: Ow wait it is Putanumonit
you’ll later find out that people were talking about you, your actions, your words, and that being ghosted was in fact the consequence of your actions, and then you’ll have one last opportunity to turn it all around
do some self introspection and reconcile what actually happened vs what you intended to happen, and decide that it is in fact possible to create relationships without trying to meta discomfort them for your purposes specifically
or
wokeism is the reason, so this time you need to be even MORE obnoxious, to filter people out who would talk behind your back even strongester! (repeat from the top of your flow)
It also creates a culture of shittesting your friends
btw, remember how Duncan Sabien wrote about how cool it was to casually hit people playing “punch buggy” without prior agreement, because his good friend Brent Dill convinced him it was good to do
I do not, or at least I don’t always remember specific names. (I also forgot who the guy was who had this epic LW style breakup with his gf, that was a legendary post), but yeah that is a bit toxic. In a way it reminds me of the ‘strong men create bla bla times’ memes and the fremen mirage of how acting like barbarians creates a tough character which can conquer your local Rome equivalent “sir, this is a Wendies, and if you hit our server one more time you will be banned”. Prob also related to early open source techbro ‘say whatever you want with no filters’ culture, which even Torvalds now realizes was a bit of a mistake. A bit of Survivorship bias, if only there was a community of smart people to teach others about biasses. ;).
I’ve played this game nonstop since grade school. I’m currently a 32-year-old man living in a liberal coastal city, and when, out of sheer reflex, I gently tap a friend on the arm and say “blue punch bug, no punch back,” the response I often get back is moral outrage.
… [cut out the part where people explain to him why they think this is fucked up] …
And sure, one response might be to dismiss that as a symptom of over-the-top coastal liberalism and just chalk it up to social justice culture, or whatever.
But the thing is, those three-or-four-out-of-ten people are smart. More than that, they’re good.
Ah yes, this feels like ‘my kids went no contact with me suddenly and they refuse to tell me why!’ (for people not in the know, they kids have told their parents why over and over again, and they refuse to accept the reasons, there are entire forums filled with people like this).
From his own description:
Duncan Sabien is a writer, teacher, and maker of things. He loves parkour, LEGOs, and MTG, and is easily manipulated by people quoting Ender’s Game.
Ender’s Game… ow god. (I could go into a rant why that is a pretty dangerous book for badly socialized nerds but I will not, there prob are articles out there which explain the way this book manipulates the reader into thinking sociopathy is fine and vastly overreacting is fine and shouldn’t be blamed on the sociopath). (It does fit, him being a fan of Enders game and not getting why non-consensually involving people around you in a punching game as an adult is fucked up).
Ender’s Game… ow god. (I could go into a rant why that is a pretty dangerous book for badly socialized nerds but I will not, there prob are articles out there which explain the way this book manipulates the reader into thinking sociopathy is fine and vastly overreacting is fine and shouldn’t be blamed on the sociopath).
I also remember reading on the back of the book that the protag would 3 times be offered to stay in the Land and be cured, or something, and 3 times reject the offer. Way to spoil!
Thanks! I have read that article ages ago, and iirc it explains the problematic nature of the book quite well. And it also links to the ‘wow, Ender really looks a lot like Hitler’ article. Ender and Hitler: Sympathy for the Superman., both good reads if people want to know just how much of a red flag Enders Game is.
(And for people who don’t know, if you hold control and use the scrollwheel the text gets bigger, some of these font sizes are for people with better eyes or a smaller screen than mine)
This is great, they think it is a 4d chess(*) move they pull on people. They think it both outs people who take offense and preselects your friend group for people you can convert into neo-nazism. And anybody who takes offense gets to look like a crazy person and leaves.
What actually happens is that people don’t always react to your slurs directly but certainly talk among each other, this will close doors for you and cause people to deprioritize you as a friend. You will just get invited less and ‘forgotten’ by people (unless they suffer from the geek social fallacies, but geeks do talk to each other about those), you will get the reputation as the n-word guy, and people will warn others about you, like you are a broken stair. It also creates a culture of shittesting your friends and regularly testing your friends to see if they match up with your ideals or are ‘good friends’ is a very toxic way to instill paranoia in yourself and reduce the amount of friendships and professional opportunities you have. So I’d suggest he carries on with it, ow sorry ‘his friend’.
*: it is 4d chess, in a sense that he made up his own rules, they are way more complicated than needed, don’t actually add anything compared to normal 2d/3d chess, and by playing a different game than the rest of the world you are actually just making illegal moves which ensure people will not play with you anymore. Confusing a social game for an intellectual game.
E: forgot to ask, who is this dweeb again? Answered my own question: Ow wait it is Putanumonit
you forgot the last stage of the evolution,
you’ll later find out that people were talking about you, your actions, your words, and that being ghosted was in fact the consequence of your actions, and then you’ll have one last opportunity to turn it all around
or
btw, remember how Duncan Sabien wrote about how cool it was to casually hit people playing “punch buggy” without prior agreement, because his good friend Brent Dill convinced him it was good to do
I do not, or at least I don’t always remember specific names. (I also forgot who the guy was who had this epic LW style breakup with his gf, that was a legendary post), but yeah that is a bit toxic. In a way it reminds me of the ‘strong men create bla bla times’ memes and the fremen mirage of how acting like barbarians creates a tough character which can conquer your local Rome equivalent “sir, this is a Wendies, and if you hit our server one more time you will be banned”. Prob also related to early open source techbro ‘say whatever you want with no filters’ culture, which even Torvalds now realizes was a bit of a mistake. A bit of Survivorship bias, if only there was a community of smart people to teach others about biasses. ;).
this amazing post
aka ‘say whatever I want with no filters’ culture
… [cut out the part where people explain to him why they think this is fucked up] …
Ah yes, this feels like ‘my kids went no contact with me suddenly and they refuse to tell me why!’ (for people not in the know, they kids have told their parents why over and over again, and they refuse to accept the reasons, there are entire forums filled with people like this).
From his own description:
Ender’s Game… ow god. (I could go into a rant why that is a pretty dangerous book for badly socialized nerds but I will not, there prob are articles out there which explain the way this book manipulates the reader into thinking sociopathy is fine and vastly overreacting is fine and shouldn’t be blamed on the sociopath). (It does fit, him being a fan of Enders game and not getting why non-consensually involving people around you in a punching game as an adult is fucked up).
And another edit: Ow my god. “What’s it like to have sex with Duncan?”
There is:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180820084522/http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm
Thanks for the link.
I read a ton of SF but Card always passed me by. I tried to read a followup/sequel/fixup called Ender’s Shadow years ago and couldn’t get through it.
BTW another big series I could never get through was “Thomas Covenanter” or something, although it was fantasy.
The main character commits rape because this isn’t a real universe anyway. You made the right choice.
I think I remember reading about that. Ick.
I also remember reading on the back of the book that the protag would 3 times be offered to stay in the Land and be cured, or something, and 3 times reject the offer. Way to spoil!
This is a pretty good takedown of the series (and other shitty plot devices in SF/F): https://news.ansible.uk/plotdev.html
Thanks! I have read that article ages ago, and iirc it explains the problematic nature of the book quite well. And it also links to the ‘wow, Ender really looks a lot like Hitler’ article. Ender and Hitler: Sympathy for the Superman., both good reads if people want to know just how much of a red flag Enders Game is.
(And for people who don’t know, if you hold control and use the scrollwheel the text gets bigger, some of these font sizes are for people with better eyes or a smaller screen than mine)
now that’s what i call a memetic hazard
Huh. That post doesn’t appear in the archives, as far as I can tell.
yeah, it musta been deleted before the scrape