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I wonder how Israeli historians will remember this. Will they take take position of Germany and grow or US and justify all the shit because “we had to do it, we’re great”
History and how it went is written by the winners not losers. Germany and the US took those stances because of who lost and who won. As long as israel „wins“ (in whatever definition) it will write its history as a winner.
You give too little credit to the German people.
Also genocide is critical part of Israel’s existence so I’d be very disappointed if they don’t seriously reflect on this at least. Though I guess you should never underestimate a cult.
Also genocide is critical part of Israel’s existence
Yep, and they proceeded to do it (partway through) in 1949.
That’s a meme, it’s not how history works or how it ever has worked.
My sympathy for Israel is pretty much gone now.
They definitely got played like a fiddle and did exactly what their enemies wanted them to do.
The ripple effects of this genocide is going to ruin their ability to have normal state relations and any semblance of security for generations.
Israel lost the long game, because they reacted and failed to choose to respond.
This is really weird phrasing that pretends that Israel has no responsibility for their actions.
They chose to do this, they are responsible for what they’ve done.
Let me be clear. Israel is fully responsible. They were an obvious mark for manipulation (this is Israel’s fault). Because of this, an adversary provoked them, and successfully goaded them into making a genocidal blunder. Also Israel’s fault.
The Israeli government is unhinged, hateful and fascist and those qualities were leveraged by an adversary. It’s an absolute embarrassment.
Let me just clarify that this is my sympathy for the State of Israel that I’m talking about, not my attitude toward Jewish people in general who have nothing to do with this.
Forgive my ignorance, but I was always wondering why is it such a faux pau to show support to Palestine? From how I understand it, and that may be wrong, hence the question, the regular Palestinian people are occupied not only by Israel on the outside, but also by a terrorist group, HAMAS, at home. Which is basically a dictatorship, thats not afraid to openly use terror tactics. It’s a lose-lose situation, and the only thing you can do is hope youre not going to be one of the 1/100 that dies to a random strike.
When there are innocent people in a situation like that, the least we can do is show them some support.
Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war? I feel like in missing something, because the backslash to people who show an ounce of support for Palestine is massive, and I don’t really get why. I just want regular people who aren’t terrorists to live at peace :(
I think the basic reasoning is some form of:
“If you support Palestina, you are against Israel. And you can’t be against Israel, because then you are an anti-semite and that means you support Hitler.”
It’s mainly prevelant in western countries that historically support Israel. I do think a big part of that is some historical shame/feeling the Jewish people are owed something, given the genocide they had to endure in WW2. And of course a touch of geopolitics. And right wing politicians using Israel as a way to position themselves (I guess they hate Muslims more than Jews?).
Or do majority of people in Palestine actually support HAMAS and the war?
Idk if the majority support Hamas specifically, but most Palestinians support resistance fighters, including Hamas, mostly because peaceful diplomacy with Israel has proven to be impossible.
Imagine 1% of your entire population was destroyed, people keep getting thrown out of homes, critical infrastructure is being destroyed. The world refuses to help and more often than not supports the people doing it to you.
I’m not there, so I couldn’t make an accurate statement. But I’m pretty sure I would be supporting the only people willing to do anything to stop them. The situation is just to dire.
And that’s after decades of brutal occupation and apartheid. This didn’t begin when Hamas attacked that concert.
I fear when the world will start to ignore Palestine again
That started in 1948
What a fucking disaster. Netanyahu and Hamas have been quite the blight on mankind
Move along. No genocide to see here.
Betcha there are people already arguing that it can’t be genocide if you only kill 1% of the population.
Or that it can’t be because they didn’t immediately kill everyone
Maybe I’m mistaken, but at one point long ago at school, a professor told me that genocide is when one ethnic group kills 5000 of other ethnic group. How many innocent Palestinians has Israel killed so far since Oct 7th?
What percent of Americans died in the 9/11 attacks? How many 9/11s is this?
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Sigh.
Gaza is under occupation by Israel, according to almost every NGO that matters, including the UN. The war has been going on since 1970.
And before you call it “the biggest massacre of Jews since the holocaust” ask the IDF how many Jews they killed between October 7th and 9th.
Sigh.
Was alone pretty much an appropriate response to parent comment. Though I applaud you for your preservation.
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Gotta ask the UN, but stop the blockade for instance. The blockade which started in 2005, not 2007, by the way.
Maybe if Hamas would stop making bombs and rockets out of literally anything they can get their hands on, in order to indiscriminately bomb Israel, they’d be more open to lifting the blockade.
Yeah, like what happened in 2008, where during the ceasefire that required Israel to lift the blockade they explicitly stated they intended to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse?
Did they?
Uh… Yes. It’s literally right there on Wikipedia. It’s not a secret.
A lot of those dead people probably didn’t actually start the war.
What is Israel supposed to do? I’m genuinely asking. I’m not implying what they have done is what should’ve happened but I’m genuinely puzzled what the imagined alternative would have been. You don’t react to Hamas’s attack by packing up your shit and leaving. You don’t respond to it by asking what your enemy would like you to do differently so that this doesn’t happen again. You retaliate. It’s blatantly obvious that’s what you do especially since they have a superior military. How do you retaliate? That is the question I’d like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?
If you catch a kid throwing rocks at windows you don’t shoot them or punch them in the face but you don’t pat them on the head either and give them candy. There are better and worse ways to deal with it here.
They could do literally anything other than indiscriminate artillery and bombing campaigns. They target hospitals, schools, and refugee camps and you ask “what else are they supposed to do?”
Considering Gaza is inside of Israel technically, and Israeli intelligence is some of the best and most funded in the entire world, the IDF should have a very clear understanding of where Hamas militants are.
The IDF is equipped with all of the latest American toys. They know how to find people that don’t want to be found. They’re just doing genocide.
What is this hospital bombing everyone is talking about? Every single article I’m finding is about the Al-Alhi incident.
How do you know they are indiscriminately bombing? How do you know they street purposefully targeting civilians hospitals and schools? We’re not talking about Hamas here, which openly has been doing that constantly, for decades. With child suicide bombers mind you.
How do you retaliate? That is the question I’d like answered. What is a reasonable and justifiable retaliation to their act?
Retaliation is in the first place a wrong answer, because Hamas’s whole existence is retaliation to Israel’s aggression against Palestinians.
This in no shape or form answers my question and is exactly what’s frustrating about the situation. I only hear critizism but never solutions.
They’re intentionally not answering your question because they find your question invalid and asked in bad faith.
#genocidejoe
Is Biden an idiot for blindly supporting Israel? Yes.
But every fucking President since Truman has done the exact same thing … including Trump.
So sit down and shut up already.
Uh… No. Biden is uniquely horrible in this. He’s going above and beyond what most other non-Trump presidents would do.
People are responsible for the things they do. And the fact that your electoral system gives you the choice between Genocide Joe and Diaper Donald doesn’t mean there is a good guy between them. Electoralism has failed if this is the choice, and change should be looked for outside of it, you can still vote for whatever candidate is the least bad but don’t be smug about the fact that you did something good and be done for the next four years. If things keep going the way they’re going, there is going to be another Republican president in the future, either Trump or someone more dangerous and competent.
Not my electoral system. I’m not American. Just sick and tired of shitty people hashtagging stupidity.
I invite you to read the report sent to the ICJ by South Africa and call that stupidity. Now is the time to act while we can still stop an ethnic cleansing or worse.
I replied to someone hashtagging Biden, not SA’s report to the ICJ that I happen to agree with.
Biden can stop it today if he wants, either by withholding weapons or by direct intervention (although an embargo would probably suffice). But the fact that the US is STILL sending weapons is nothing less than direct complicity. People have been shot for less during the Nuremberg Trials.
Yet Palestinian support for the Hamas terrorists just continues to grow. So weird thinking it’s 2024, and they’re having a fucking religious war over there.
That’s because they believe that Hamas’s attack on Oct 7 was in retaliation for Israel’s prior actions while Israel is using Oct 7 to retaliate against all of Palestine. Palestinians are going to support the side that is not bombing them and that they believe is standing up to the persecution they’ve experienced up until and including now.
“Ukraine: It’s Not ‘Retaliation’ When You’re Fighting for National Survival”
I just saw this title on lemmy underneath this post.
Religious war over whether they can live in their land or not, indeed.
Israel is committing genocide, so stop sucking their dicks.
I didn’t know sucking dick was such a crime.
This is to be expected. The past ~20 years has been very bad for diplomacy with Israel. When it Israel actually engages in diplomacy with it’s Palestinian population the population Hamas plummets.
