• Herr Woland@lemmy.world
    615·
    11 months ago

    Why is Ubuntu getting so much hate? it was a good entrance for many people into the Linux world

    • CatTrickery@lemmy.world
      482·
      11 months ago

      It started when they started including Amazon sponsored results in the menu search really. These days using apt occasionally will install a snap package instead of a deb. It doesn’t give people a good jumping on point and it teaches that linux is more difficult than it has to be.

      • Papercrane@lemmy.world
        61·
        11 months ago

        Isn’t Linux mint an Ubuntu fork? That gets recommended to tons of people who seek an entrance into the Linux world. Is it as bad as Ubuntu?

        • RachelRodent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          17·
          11 months ago

          It is a fork, meanong its like ubuntu but with the bullshit that makes ubuntu bad renoved. It is conpletly safe but if you wanna stay clear of any trace of ubuntu at all there is also a debian based version pf mint

            • dukk@programming.dev
              6·
              11 months ago

              LMDE and PopOS are my consistent recommendations to newcomers. If one doesn’t work, the other will.

              • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
                5·
                11 months ago

                I would recommend only community maintained distros at this point… seing as how RH and Canonical went to the dark side for some things, I’d rather not recommend something maintaned by a company.

        • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
          7·
          11 months ago

          Pop-os is likely the best ubuntu flavored OS to recommend. It has nice features like solid gaming intergration and an optional tiling manager, all without snaps.

      • Montagge@kbin.social
        11·
        11 months ago

        Can someone please show me these ads for snaps? I’ve been using Ubuntu for almost 4 years and I’ve never seen an ad for anything.

        • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          123·
          11 months ago

          They don’t really asvertise snaps in the OS per say, but they do push users to use snaps instead of .deb packages. Why? My best guess is they wanna monopozie the portable app market (Snaps, Flatpak, AppImage) and become sort of like what systemd is now - unreasonable to ask to use anything else but systemd.

          Pro features ads are right there when you do apt update or apt upgrade (can’t remember which one of these, maybe both).

          • pythonoob@programming.dev
            51·
            11 months ago

            So you’re saying the crime is that developers… Want people to use the software they created?

            ???

            • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              3·
              11 months ago

              There is no crime. I just don’t like pushy messages or suggestions. I like using native packages. I don’t like using Snaps/Flatpaks/AppImages. Stop suggesting me to use them!

          • Montagge@kbin.social
            62·
            11 months ago

            Is it an ad or is it just letting you know about a feature you can use? I don’t personally consider that an ad.

            Unpopular opinion I prefer snaps over flatpak. At least when I update snaps I actually know how much is going to be downloaded lol

            • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
              9·
              11 months ago

              They forced Firefox’s default package into a snap recently. They did this without integrating with Gnome or common plugins like password managers. This of course broke a ton of shit out of the blue.

              Then, to get Firefox off of snap, you have to do a non zero amount of config instead of giving the users a simple option at install. If you mess that config up at all, the next Firefox update just goes back to snap.

              Forcing people’s primary application into an Canonical controlled packaging system is likely worse than an ad, honestly. It made it very clear to me that Ubuntu did not respect user choice like it used to, so i migrated off of it.

                • mosiacmango@lemm.ee
                  11·
                  11 months ago

                  I bounced around to Debain and opensuse tumbleweed, but landed on pop-os. Ubuntu without snap nonsense, optional i3 tiling manager implementation, “just works.”

                  For the server side, ive moved to Debian. Nothing lost at all.

            • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
              6·
              11 months ago

              Well, yeah. It’s not actually an add, but it does say that there are pro features available (can’t remember exactly what it said). It’s just pushy, not something I’d expect to see in a Linux distro.

              I don’t like either, I always use native pacakges. I repackage what is not available for the distro I currently use. It’s just simpler IMO. One pacakge manager, all apps are available system wide, so if I decide to switch accounts or someone else might wanna use my computer/laptop, no prob, just log in as Guest, do whatever, log out.

      • WelcomeBear@lemmy.world
        3·
        11 months ago

        Is this also true for headless servers? I’ve been using Ubuntu via SSH for 15 years now and it’s always been fine for me but I’ve also never run the desktop version (for more than a few days anyway.)

        I just installed it on a scavenged workstation last month to use as a media server and I didn’t notice anything unusual.

        Edit:

        While we’re at it, what does the hive mind think I should be using instead for turning old trash PCs into shitty servers? The only thing Lemmy has taught me so far is that Ubuntu sucks and the only truly honorable choice is to quit my job and stop speaking to my family so that I can devote my life to installing drivers on unstable Arch. Also, I’m supposed to buy some thigh-high stockings and learn to tuck apparently?

        • SteveTech@programming.devEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          I usually use Debian for servers, which would be fine for you because Ubuntu is(was?) based on it, so it’s still got apt and some other similarities.

        • mihnt@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Mint or Pop!_OS I think is the current popular non-shitty entry level OSes.

        • OR3X@lemm.ee
          1·
          11 months ago

          I use Debian headless for my media server and mint cinnamon on the desktop. I don’t care for anything vaguely Gnome 3.

        • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          While we’re at it, what does the hive mind think I should be using instead for turning old trash PCs into shitty servers?

          Void. The speed difference is unmeasurable, especially when using old equipment. Plus it still supports x86. If you’re used to the terminal, you won’t notice a difference, trust me… except a lot more speed and less RAM usage.

          The only thing Lemmy has taught me so far is that Ubuntu sucks and the only truly honorable choice is to quit my job and stop speaking to my family so that I can devote my life to installing drivers on unstable Arch.

          Everything works pretty much out of the box in Void. Hardware doesn’t work? Try installing some of the firmware binary blobs (firmware-intel, firmware-broadcom, etc.). Check the hardware manufacturer and model with lspci or lsusb (depending on how the hardware is connected to the PC). 99% of the time, the thing works after firmware packages are installed 👍.

          Also, I’m supposed to buy some thigh-high stockings and learn to tuck apparently?

          No, just be open minded to new things and have a reddit account for asking questions/getting support… cuz the Void team didn’t join the protest and their subreddit is still the official help forum for Void.

    • chaogomu@kbin.social
      92·
      11 months ago

      Part of it is the fact that Ubuntu is an entry level sort of OS, it’s been simplified down and made easy. So the sort of people who have it are often less tech-savvy, and when something does go wrong, they ask a lot of pretty basic seeming questions.

      This isn’t helped by some of Canonical’s design choices. Nothing overt, but Ubuntu has a flavor that’s distinctly Ubuntu, and knowledge of other distros is sometimes a detriment in solving problems.

      Canonical is also a company that just rubs some people the wrong way. There was some data collection shit where they asked users to opt-out of collection, after installing the data collection app.

      Then there’s Snaps… it’s their own unique take on program management. Which is a Canonical thing, reinventing the wheel so that they can have their own unique little thing. Like Mir and Unity, which were then both abandoned to the community.

      It’s good that the community can take over when Canonical drops something, but still…

    • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
      83·
      11 months ago

      Ubuntu is great. I use it on laptops, desktops, servers and IoT devices. We use it on thousands of corp workstations at my workplace too.

    • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
      62·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, like 20 years ago. Things change. Hoary Hedgehog was my first real daily driver, and I miss what Ubuntu was. But that Ubuntu is no more.

      These days I use Debian for that old school no-BS Ubuntu feel. If I’m gonna use a .deb based distro, might as well use the granddaddy of them all.

    • Too Lazy Didn't Name@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      11 months ago

      Firefox snap doesn’t work with keepassxc browser integration and smart cards randomly, so I uninstalled the default snap on ubuntu, edited configs to make sure it didnt grab snap by default, and then install the deb Firefox.

      Every single fucking time I did a distro upgrade, ubuntu uninstalled deb Firefox, rwdis the configs to automatically install snap Firefox, and then reinstalled snap Firefox.

      One of the reasons I left windows was because it kept changing my default browser. How is ubuntu any better?

      I started my linux journey on ubuntu 11.10. I have some real nostalgia and loyalty to that platform, but I recently gave up on it and switched to fedora because of its relentless self-promotion is snap. I feel like you’d be doing a disservice to recommend it as a gateway into Linux to someone nowadays.

      • nul9o9@lemmy.world
        1·
        11 months ago

        Oooooh, that’d really rub me the wrong way. My wife is still on a Windows PC. She’ll ask my why certain changes she made get reverted, and my default answer is “Microsoft thinks it knows better than you”.

        • caseyweederman@lemmy.ca
          1·
          11 months ago

          Canonical has a long history of thinking it knows better than you, but funneling everyone into their closed-source walled-garden our-way-or-the-highway gonna-charge-money-the-moment-we-figure-out-the-legality Snap Store sure if the most Microsofty.

    • GarlicToast@programming.dev
      1·
      11 months ago

      Need to use Ubuntu at work on some of the machines. Canonical distributes broken packages and has done this for years.

      They do so also when the package on Debian is fine. So they take the Debian package, add breakage and release it.

      Ubuntu is a pile of crap, but still better than Windows.

      • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        What packages? Cuz if it’s FF or something they ship in the Snap store, they have an incentive to do that - deb desn’t work, use Snaps 🤷.

        • GarlicToast@programming.dev
          2·
          11 months ago

          One of the binaries in graphviz is compiled with the wrong flags for years.

          The Python module networkx is broken on 22.04.

          Long live the savor Nix.

    • badbytes@lemmy.world
      12·
      11 months ago

      Read a Ubuntu forum for help and you’ll see why. Blind leading blind far too frequently.

  • waigl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    11 months ago

    “The Pianist” (2002), btw. In case anyone didn’t know and was wondering.

  • doingthestuff@lemmy.world
    5·
    11 months ago

    I have old history with Linux and am just coming back. I did my first test build for my office to get away from the dying Windows 10/avoiding 11. I went with a basic Linux Mint cinnamon build, got our network printer and core software working. Will you let me live?

  • Pat_Riot@lemmy.today
    0·
    11 months ago

    Beginner here, what is so bad about Ubuntu? I put it on a laptop this weekend and was running and installing software faster than any Windows install I have ever done. Firefox runs fine, the Mozilla email program hooked right up with my ancient Yahoo account. Blender runs like a scalded dog. Cura and prusa run good enough. I’m arguing with Muse and Ardour a bit but expected that. Spotify runs. I’m having a good first experience. So why the hate?

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      1·
      10 months ago

      They push their own things on it, like Snaps, which is not an open source standard. Plus they are a subscription based distro now, like RHEL.

      You can get the same with a lot less bloat with LMDE. Try it, I’m sure you’ll like it.