• 768@sh.itjust.works
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    11 months ago

    Anarchism doesn’t really have an option aside from siding with NATO, as politically expensive that is. Imperialism was bad in the 16th century, in the 18th century, in the 20th century and is bad in the 21st century.

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      11 months ago

      As an anarchist I’m on the side of the Ukrainian people defending their homes and resisting imperialism. The fact that NATO is on the same side is just a coincidence.

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      11 months ago

      Anarchism doesn’t really have an option aside from siding with NATO,

      just because you can type the words in that order doesn’t make the statement true. nato is bad and anarchist should not support it.

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        11 months ago

        Nothing to do with it? There are thousands of uninvited members of a foreign military in five of their oblasts right now.

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          11 months ago

          The statement is a bit ambiguous. They might mean it in support of Ukrainian independence.

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          Not every invasion is imperialism.

          It was a stupid decision by a leader trying to cement his legacy by repairing the USSR and attempting to restore the lost power of years past.

          Imperialism is expansion in to previously unoccupied lands. Scramble for Africa. Roman expansion. Colonization of the Americas.

          Not invading a satellite of years past first through clandestine methods then with a true military force.

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            attempting to restore the lost power of years past.

            In other words, trying to rebuild the empire, i.e. imperialism.

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            Imperialism is expansion in to previously unoccupied lands. Scramble for Africa. Roman expansion. Colonization of the Americas.

            None of the lands you just listed were unoccupied. They literally had indigenous people that were eradicated or absorbed into the empire.

            …like what Russia is trying in Ukraine.

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              I think they mean unoccupied by them. So for example, WWI wouldn’t be imperialism because Germany and France both claimed to be the Holy Roman Empire and Flanders is within that territory. I disagree but I understand the argument

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                Yes, although WWI is a bad example. Continental domination wasn’t the goal of WWI, it was the result of the web of alliances. You could argue that taking control of colonies owned by the other European nations is imperialism, but that seems like late stage colonialism issues. Can’t colonize once everything is occupied.

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          Russia isn’t a federation. It’s still the USSR but different tactics and name.

          Why did Russia start this in 2014? They lost their puppet government in Ukraine. Russia desires secure borders. They always have. Ukraine slipping away necessitated Russia to invade to reinstall a puppet government. The bonus for Putin was retaking Crimea after the USSR gifted it to Ukraine in the 80s I believe.

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            11 months ago

            Ok that’s bullshit. They’re hyper capitalist and anti communist and anti equality. They share similarities to the USSR, but those qualities also appeared in czarist Russia. Russia is just like that and will be until they fix it

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        11 months ago

        If it has nothing to do with it you certainly know some different reasons why Ukraine was attacked and carved piece by piece since 2014.

        Please elaborate.