Plasma is great, it just has terrible defaults and there is no way to back up settings. I spend half an hour configuring Plasma in each install. I can’t believe I’m saying this but as of Plasma 6 and its bug fixes, Plasma is much more polished than Cinnamon.
I really like KDE and haven’t used cinnamon since very soon after it first released (pre 2010??)
I should give it another go soon, I do feel like I’ve been on kde so long I don’t even know what I’m missing, except I tried gnome again and it’s still not for me.
I just started to use Hyprland yesterday after switching to Cachy OS. Was previously Linux Mint cinnamon. I don’t know why but I’m kind of enjoying the thrill.
3d games are obviously different from desktop apps, idk why I even need to explain this. Try again when you want the cursor to move faster in the email app than in the text editor.
Not that I would want that feature, but what’s a good reason against it? I don’t see it hurting anything by being able to customize that, and if someone wants to why is that a problem? It seems a weird hill to die on is all
It’s a very well known problem in interface design. If you include every option that someone could possibly want, you’ll have three thousand options in the settings, and it will be impossible to find anything without getting severe fatigue from looking at all the toggles.
Consider Windows: with many advanced options, one has to click through a couple dozen dialogs in search of where that option is, getting RSI in the process. You can also take LibreOffice’s or old KDE’s settings as examples.
MacOS solves that pretty simply: settings that most people use are in the control panel under comparatively few categories and typically readily available in there. Settings that are unlikely to be changed by anyone outside power users are still modifiable through the command-line utility for that — which is actually responsible for all the settings, making MacOS very fit for automatic setup with Ansible or somesuch.
However, that’s just the design issue. There’s also the programming issue: every option increases pathways that the code may take, and thus the possibility of bugs and regressions, and the complexity of the code and tests.
A well-known approach that many companies take is to include only the functionality and settings that conform to the main vision, and focus on that working well instead of trying to serve everyone. This gets them a dedicated customer base to whom the product is tailored, instead of corporate sales made on the breadth of features, wherein the end users need only a tenth of the functions but have to wade through the whole interface. 37signals is one such example of a narrowly-focused company. Github’s issues system is likely used by way more people than Jira, Bugzilla and such, despite being quite poor in functionality in comparison — but it also doesn’t need a two-hundred-pages manual to use.
I only had this problem on Mac with apps made in Qt or somesuch. They apparently didn’t understand the system-wide scrolling speed. But apps in one desktop environment, especially the file browser made for that environment, should just respect the system-wide setting.
As a KDE person who’s got an 'ol reliable Mint machine, I’m really glad Cinnamon has fans. I do wish certain customization was a little easier maybe? But it really does “just work” while looking pretty enough and not being overly obtuse.
I love my KDE and it kicks butt right now, but I don’t want to see everything converge on a single DE. I want them all to improve for the people who love them for their own reasons.
Big fan. I don’t demand much from a window manager, just stay out of the way. I’ve never really had to give cinnamon any thought, shit just works. I spend most of my time in a terminal window though, so not really pushing the GUI.
It’s nothing personal, but I hate Cinnamon. I do not agree with their philosophy at all. They want to be “familiar” but that means they are trapped using outdated Windows 98 conventions while being late to the Wayland party and offering significantly less customization than KDE. When I see people recommend Cinnamon over KDE, I downvote. If you personally prefer it’s 1999 style and conventions then you keep doing you, but it’s not objectively better than KDE in any way and I do not think we should be driving new Linux users toward it.
It seems like a way to help old fucks like me - who have never used anything but Windows and hate anything new and still bitch about the windows key - learn how to use Linux without throwing up our hands and going back to Windows 11. I am planning to use Mint, and Cinnamon, when I nuke my desktop’s Windows installation, because I’m just too goddamn tired to learn too many new things at a time and I liked Windows 98.
Is Cinnamon still a good idea for me, even though it does not sound like a good idea for people still able to form new neuronal connections?
You could also look into creating a Ventoy thumb drive so you can try multiple distros without installing them. Most linux distros can be run “live” straight from an ISO, and Ventoy lets you boot directly into any ISO you copy onto a thumb drive. It’s an quick, easy, no-commitment way to try a few things out and see what feels good to you.
I think there should be four options for voting: agree / disagree / is relevant / is irrelevant, where the first three pushes the entry up, and the last push it down.
I used Cinnamon as a daily driver for ten years, I’ve still got Mint Cinnamon on my laptop, and Fedora KDE on my desktop.
KDE offers Wayland with all its bells and whistles ready to go, but Fedora is the second worst operating system I’ve ever operated. There’s a lot of shit that doesn’t run on it. .rpm is a complete joke compared to .apt, it’s just a shame that Ubuntu is such a joke compared to Fedora. Frankly this might be the perfect time in history to take a fire axe to everything more technologically advanced you own than a wall and go roll around in the mud.
I ran fedora flawlessly for about 5-6 years on one system and it was great until one day it just shat itself with an update and I couldn’t fix it. A reinstall would have been fine no doubt but took the opportunity to hop again. Think it was 41 that caused it.
Anyway I still rate it highly despite that, surprised it made it to the bottom of anyones list.
Cinnamon >>> KDE
Imo.
KDE too clunky while cinnamon still customizable.
Plasma is great, it just has terrible defaults and there is no way to back up settings. I spend half an hour configuring Plasma in each install. I can’t believe I’m saying this but as of Plasma 6 and its bug fixes, Plasma is much more polished than Cinnamon.
I really like KDE and haven’t used cinnamon since very soon after it first released (pre 2010??)
I should give it another go soon, I do feel like I’ve been on kde so long I don’t even know what I’m missing, except I tried gnome again and it’s still not for me.
I just started to use Hyprland yesterday after switching to Cachy OS. Was previously Linux Mint cinnamon. I don’t know why but I’m kind of enjoying the thrill.
One little task that I tried on several DE. Try to change the scroll speed in the file explorer (dolphin for kde)
I had no DE except KDE where I just could go into the settings and change the value.
Afaik for cinnamon I need to recompile the whole thing.
Why would the file explorer have its own scroll speed separate from the rest of the system?
Because some people like customizability.
Do you also have different mouse speed in different apps?
In games for example, yes
3d games are obviously different from desktop apps, idk why I even need to explain this. Try again when you want the cursor to move faster in the email app than in the text editor.
Not that I would want that feature, but what’s a good reason against it? I don’t see it hurting anything by being able to customize that, and if someone wants to why is that a problem? It seems a weird hill to die on is all
It’s a very well known problem in interface design. If you include every option that someone could possibly want, you’ll have three thousand options in the settings, and it will be impossible to find anything without getting severe fatigue from looking at all the toggles.
Consider Windows: with many advanced options, one has to click through a couple dozen dialogs in search of where that option is, getting RSI in the process. You can also take LibreOffice’s or old KDE’s settings as examples.
MacOS solves that pretty simply: settings that most people use are in the control panel under comparatively few categories and typically readily available in there. Settings that are unlikely to be changed by anyone outside power users are still modifiable through the command-line utility for that — which is actually responsible for all the settings, making MacOS very fit for automatic setup with Ansible or somesuch.
However, that’s just the design issue. There’s also the programming issue: every option increases pathways that the code may take, and thus the possibility of bugs and regressions, and the complexity of the code and tests.
A well-known approach that many companies take is to include only the functionality and settings that conform to the main vision, and focus on that working well instead of trying to serve everyone. This gets them a dedicated customer base to whom the product is tailored, instead of corporate sales made on the breadth of features, wherein the end users need only a tenth of the functions but have to wade through the whole interface. 37signals is one such example of a narrowly-focused company. Github’s issues system is likely used by way more people than Jira, Bugzilla and such, despite being quite poor in functionality in comparison — but it also doesn’t need a two-hundred-pages manual to use.
The problem on my side was that for some reason the speed for my mouse was always too slow. 10 scrolls for one page.
This is sth. That can work on 90% of all mice out there and not for some. So you should always have it costumizeable
I only had this problem on Mac with apps made in Qt or somesuch. They apparently didn’t understand the system-wide scrolling speed. But apps in one desktop environment, especially the file browser made for that environment, should just respect the system-wide setting.
how do you only change that for dolphin?
You open settings and search for scroll speed
that changes it for all programs. or did you mean that?
I did mean that.
It was just most noticeable in dolphin
As a KDE person who’s got an 'ol reliable Mint machine, I’m really glad Cinnamon has fans. I do wish certain customization was a little easier maybe? But it really does “just work” while looking pretty enough and not being overly obtuse.
I love my KDE and it kicks butt right now, but I don’t want to see everything converge on a single DE. I want them all to improve for the people who love them for their own reasons.
Cinny rocks.
Big fan. I don’t demand much from a window manager, just stay out of the way. I’ve never really had to give cinnamon any thought, shit just works. I spend most of my time in a terminal window though, so not really pushing the GUI.
downvoted for literally having a harmless opinion, classic lemmy
It’s nothing personal, but I hate Cinnamon. I do not agree with their philosophy at all. They want to be “familiar” but that means they are trapped using outdated Windows 98 conventions while being late to the Wayland party and offering significantly less customization than KDE. When I see people recommend Cinnamon over KDE, I downvote. If you personally prefer it’s 1999 style and conventions then you keep doing you, but it’s not objectively better than KDE in any way and I do not think we should be driving new Linux users toward it.
It seems like a way to help old fucks like me - who have never used anything but Windows and hate anything new and still bitch about the windows key - learn how to use Linux without throwing up our hands and going back to Windows 11. I am planning to use Mint, and Cinnamon, when I nuke my desktop’s Windows installation, because I’m just too goddamn tired to learn too many new things at a time and I liked Windows 98.
Is Cinnamon still a good idea for me, even though it does not sound like a good idea for people still able to form new neuronal connections?
Give it a try.
You could also look into creating a Ventoy thumb drive so you can try multiple distros without installing them. Most linux distros can be run “live” straight from an ISO, and Ventoy lets you boot directly into any ISO you copy onto a thumb drive. It’s an quick, easy, no-commitment way to try a few things out and see what feels good to you.
that deserves a comment then to clarify, because irrational downvoting ahouldnt be encouraged
People just misunderstand what the voting is for.
I think there should be four options for voting: agree / disagree / is relevant / is irrelevant, where the first three pushes the entry up, and the last push it down.
I think there should be no voting at all and we went back to how it was on forums :)
Do votes affect conversation at all in here? I just tend to ignore them.
Comments with a negative sum will be hidden/collapsed. That may be a client setting, though.
Just to check, do you also want flat conversation instead of nested threads?
I don’t mind it either way, quoting another post usually provided a nice nested view with replies anyway.
Okay, just wanted to make sure before asking: how do I find anything in this thread?
Find? As in the result searching? You use the search tool provided by the forum.
If I want to know whether new mods have been posted, or patches to existing mods, it’s not easy either.
But even if I use search for anything specific, there might be important replies to the comments that I find, and how do I know that?
I used Cinnamon as a daily driver for ten years, I’ve still got Mint Cinnamon on my laptop, and Fedora KDE on my desktop.
KDE offers Wayland with all its bells and whistles ready to go, but Fedora is the second worst operating system I’ve ever operated. There’s a lot of shit that doesn’t run on it. .rpm is a complete joke compared to .apt, it’s just a shame that Ubuntu is such a joke compared to Fedora. Frankly this might be the perfect time in history to take a fire axe to everything more technologically advanced you own than a wall and go roll around in the mud.
I ran fedora flawlessly for about 5-6 years on one system and it was great until one day it just shat itself with an update and I couldn’t fix it. A reinstall would have been fine no doubt but took the opportunity to hop again. Think it was 41 that caused it.
Anyway I still rate it highly despite that, surprised it made it to the bottom of anyones list.