Fire was invented – just because it existed before humans harnessed does not mean harnessing it was not an invention, just like how hammer-shaped rocks existing doesn’t invalidate the invention of hammers, or the Sun doing nuclear fusion doesn’t invalidate the invention of the fusion reactor. Ants and bees absolutely suck at farming compared to humans. Both me and you are way above and better than every animal, and you should acknowledge that.
I invite you to present actual arguments instead of what are basically just tired catchphrases.
On what grounds do you think that ants suck at farming? They are able to sustain large communities without causing ecological catastrophes. (of course, size is a factor in this specific aspect)
And, intelligence or skill doesn’t make any animal species better than others. You are an animal, deal with it.
On what grounds do you think that ants suck at farming?
For example on the metric of how much of their populace has to be farming to sustain the colony. For modern industrialized humans it’s some single-digit percentage, while for ants it’s probably something like 50%-80% (with the rest of the ants doing nursing).
And, intelligence or skill doesn’t make any animal species better than others. You are an animal, deal with it.
Having the intelligence and capability to rise above nature like humans have done is precisely what makes one animal species better than others. The fact that all current humans are animals was never in dispute – though as far as I’m concerned, being human is not contingent upon being an animal.
I presume, based on prior experience, that the fixation on humans not being better/more worthy/above other animals stems from some kind of anarchist opposition to any and all hierarchies, and so I feel like I need to clarify: being above the natural world does not absolve humans of responsibility to it nor is it a carte blanche to treat lower animals however we desire. Quite the contrary. A lion is incapable of considering the ethical implications of eating meat, so we can hardly fault it for running down a gazelle, forcing it down and then slowly killing it over several minutes before eating it. Humans are capable of that, so we can fault humans for factory farming meat.
Fire was invented – just because it existed before humans harnessed does not mean harnessing it was not an invention, just like how hammer-shaped rocks existing doesn’t invalidate the invention of hammers, or the Sun doing nuclear fusion doesn’t invalidate the invention of the fusion reactor. Ants and bees absolutely suck at farming compared to humans. Both me and you are way above and better than every animal, and you should acknowledge that.
I invite you to present actual arguments instead of what are basically just tired catchphrases.
On what grounds do you think that ants suck at farming? They are able to sustain large communities without causing ecological catastrophes. (of course, size is a factor in this specific aspect)
And, intelligence or skill doesn’t make any animal species better than others. You are an animal, deal with it.
For example on the metric of how much of their populace has to be farming to sustain the colony. For modern industrialized humans it’s some single-digit percentage, while for ants it’s probably something like 50%-80% (with the rest of the ants doing nursing).
Having the intelligence and capability to rise above nature like humans have done is precisely what makes one animal species better than others. The fact that all current humans are animals was never in dispute – though as far as I’m concerned, being human is not contingent upon being an animal.
I presume, based on prior experience, that the fixation on humans not being better/more worthy/above other animals stems from some kind of anarchist opposition to any and all hierarchies, and so I feel like I need to clarify: being above the natural world does not absolve humans of responsibility to it nor is it a carte blanche to treat lower animals however we desire. Quite the contrary. A lion is incapable of considering the ethical implications of eating meat, so we can hardly fault it for running down a gazelle, forcing it down and then slowly killing it over several minutes before eating it. Humans are capable of that, so we can fault humans for factory farming meat.