East authoritarian countries used stupidity of Western “free market” liberals, and we’re where we’re.
Right everyone is open with the fact that a lot of far right wing movements in Europe are founded by Russia. They are trying to do what mostly west did in the middle east decades ago. Put a lot of money into far right nationalist religious movements, and see how cultures are collapsing.
Russia didn’t found those groups. They find existing dissidents, give them funding, and amplify their online footprints. They really don’t care if they are left, right, or center, as long as they are pissed off and not terribly bright. Tankies of clansmen work just as well.
Second Europe and the west has had an issue with far right freaks for centuries. Regan, Thatcher, The Nazis, and the list goes on and on. Putting all the blame on Russia is not only wrong it’s just infantile bullshit.
Putin and Russian far right nationalist authoritarian Regime is a product of west. His regime is no different from Netanjahu’s.
Also Russia is a victim of this oppressive regime. There’s no democracy, no free press, no freedom, then regular people are also victims.
And I’m not saying that Russia is the only one to blame, but before trump, Russia was the one who was pushing a lot of far right wing agenda to destroy Europe. For some reasons trump don’t like strong countries in south from them, and Putin’s regime don’t want strong Europe.
You are replacing real analysis with a boogeyman handed to you by Western media. That is the core problem here.
The far right in Europe is not the result of Russian influence. It is the direct outcome of decades of neoliberal restructuring. Deindustrialization wiped out working class jobs. Austerity destroyed social services. Housing became financialized. Wages stagnated while productivity rose. Social democracy collapsed after fully integrating into neoliberal capitalism. When liberal parties administer capitalist crisis, fascists fill the vacuum. That is not theory. That is observable history.
The EU itself is a machine for producing reaction. It enforces privatization, bans state planning, attacks labor unions, suppresses national development, and subordinates weaker economies to German and French capital. Greece was economically strangled in full public view. Southern and Eastern Europe were reduced to cheap labor pools. This is what radicalized people, not Russian Telegram posts.
In the United States the situation is even clearer. The US state has backed far right extremists for nearly a century. Nazi collaborators were absorbed and given prestigious positions through Operation Paperclip. Anti communist fascists were installed across Latin America. Death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala were trained by the US. Apartheid South Africa was supported until the very end. The Mujahideen were funded and armed, directly creating modern jihadism. None of this was hidden. It was official policy.
NATO itself was built by integrating former fascists across Europe as long as they were anti communist. This is documented history. The so called liberal order has never opposed fascism. It opposes threats to capital. When fascists serve capital, they are tolerated or funded.
Even today the West openly arms far right formations when geopolitically useful. Ukraine is the most obvious example, where ultra nationalist militias were integrated into state forces with full NATO support. No one in Brussels suddenly discovered a moral objection to extremism then.
So the idea that Russia uniquely “pushes far right ideology” while the West defends democracy is fantasy. The far right does not rise because people are tricked by foreign propaganda. It rises because capitalism is failing to reproduce social stability.
This obsession with Russian interference serves one purpose only. It shifts blame away from Western ruling classes. It turns systemic crisis into an external conspiracy. It tells people that nothing is structurally wrong with capitalism, the EU, or US empire. The problem is always an outsider.
That is not analysis.
Russia today is not socialist. It is not progressive. It is a capitalist state formed out of imperial collapse. Its actions are driven by security and market interests, the same as any other capitalist power. Treating it as the prime engine of global fascism is analytically unserious.
Fascism is not imported. It is produced internally when capitalism enters decay.
If Russia vanished tomorrow, Europe would still face collapsing living standards, demographic crisis, housing shortages, declining energy security, and an economic model that no longer works. Those conditions would still generate reaction.
Blaming Russia is comforting because it avoids the real conclusion. The crisis is not geopolitical. It is systemic.
Dude, you’re repeating Russian propaganda over and over.
West the same way as Russia is a victim of neoliberalism. When soviet union collapsed due to keeping the power in the hands of the same people for way too long, then neoliberalism kicked in the same way as in whole Europe.
Transformation in the east block created many oligarchs, oligarchs choose who will rule, and they support far right as much as possible.
And when western Europe choose democracy, because cold war pushed west governments to create middle class, east block people never had this opportunity. Easy block collapsed, all the goods, factories and so one, instead of being given to regural people, was stolen by the rulling class. I’m from Poland, so this is exact what happened. And then right authoritarian regime in Russia start to blame minorities like LGBT people for situation in country.
And then years after, west countries were fighting and winnings things like keeping high social benefits and winning rights for minorities, countries like Russia was way behind. Keeping power in a hands of rulling class, oligarchs, like in Russia or Ukraine. Always leads to collapse.
One of the ways for Russia to gain more power is to weakening Europe. Oligarchs and rulling class in Russia is not going to let go, they are living like tzar family when regular people are starving. They need weak and broken Europe to at least have some power in region. In Europe no one wants to be ally of Russian far right wing regime.
Btw Russia is not progressive, it’s a right wing authoritarian regime that is trying to replicate tzar imperium times, with oligarchs on top. And regular people on the bottom. With hated for anyone who is different.
I wish for Russia to have revolution again, so normal people could get the power, and oligarchs will be you know where
Just to clarify a few thing I don’t support Russia beyond them a pole against us imperialism at this current time. I also never claimed they were progressive please stop strawmanning me you shitlib loser and try engage with what I’m actually saying.
All that being said, you are reciting liberal mythology and pretending it has any weight as serious analysis. “Russian propaganda” is doing all the intellectual labor for you. You invoke it whenever reality contradicts the story you were taught. It just goes to show how deeply invested in western chauvanism you are.
You keep pretending the West is some fellow victim of neoliberalism alongside Russia. That is absurd. Western Europe and the US were not passive sufferers. They were the architects and beneficiaries of neoliberalism. IMF structural adjustment, World Bank debt traps, privatization schemes, EU accession shocks, and global financial domination were imposed by Western capital on the rest of the world. Russia and Eastern Europe were looted. The Global South was super exploited. Western corporations made record profits.
Your welfare states did not fall from the sky because “democracy was chosen.” They were built on imperial extraction.
Western Europe funded its middle class through the super exploitation of Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the periphery. Cheap resources, stolen labor, unequal exchange, and military domination paid for your social benefits. When that imperial margin began shrinking, austerity became the name of the game. That alone proves it was never moral capitalism. It was imperial rent-sharing.
Social democracy that you seem to hold in such high regard is not socialism. It is capitalism bribing one section of workers with wealth extracted from the rest of the world.
That is why your welfare collapsed the moment the USSR fell and anti-imperialist movements were crushed. The money stopped flowing. So the mask came off.
You keep saying oligarchs controlling society leads to collapse. Correct. That is capitalism. Not “Russian authoritarian culture.” Capital accumulation produces oligarchy everywhere. The US has oligarchs. Germany has oligarchs. Poland has oligarchs. Elections do not remove them because capital owns the economy before voting even begins.
Calling Western capitalism “democracy” and Eastern capitalism “authoritarianism” is childish.
You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda. No. Reaction grows when material security collapses. People turn toward nationalism when housing, wages, healthcare, and stability disappear. Liberal identity rhetoric cannot substitute for bread. When capitalism fails to reproduce life, fascism appears. This is basic historical materialism.
You also keep pretending Russia is some unique imperial monster trying to resurrect the tsar. Meanwhile the US maintains 800 military bases, sanctions half the planet, invades countries openly, and dictates economic policy across continents. But somehow Russia is the singular threat to world stability. That belief did not come from analysis. It came from Western media saturation.
You are angry at oligarchs yet defend the system that produces them.
You want revolution in Russia while defending the same capitalist structure in Europe that would crush such a revolution instantly if it ever threatened property relations.
That contradiction is not accidental. It is social democracy.
Social democracy is not the alternative to fascism. It is its moderate wing. It preserves capitalism during stability and collapses into repression when crisis returns. Historically, social democrats disarmed the working class, defended private property, and handed power to fascists rather than allow socialist transformation. Germany already taught this lesson once.
You are not describing material reality. You are repeating the moral language of the empire.
You replaced dialectical materialism with NATO talking points and think that makes you progressive.
The far right is not rising because Russians whispered in Europe’s ear.
It is rising because capitalism is decaying, imperial privilege is shrinking, and liberalism has nothing left to offer but blame.
Until you confront that, you will keep chasing villains abroad while fascism grows at home.
Just to clarify a few thing I don’t support Russia beyond them a pole against us imperialism at this current time.
Sorry, can you elaborate? I dont want to say, that you’re justifying one imperialism by other one. My english is not perfect as you can see, so please elaborate.
I also never claimed they were progressive
Ok, i can see it now, you wrote that it’s not progressive, my apologies.
you shitlib
Please be civil, and dont call me a lib. That would be nice.
“Russian propaganda” is doing all the intellectual labor for you.
I just stated fact that russia is one of the supporters of far right wing politics in the west, and that they are paying a lot for it.
It just goes to show how deeply invested in western chauvanism you are.
Please, stop with your russian propaganda. Do you need more evidences? Stop pretending that russia is not funding far right movements in europe or USA.
You keep pretending the West is some fellow victim of neoliberalism alongside Russia. That is absurd.
Then explain to me, why russia is not a victim of neoliberalism after collapse of east block? What is your statement?
Western Europe and the US were not passive sufferers.
Are you talking about oligarch groups, and things like Bildberg group, that russia is actual part of? It’s funny, that you skipped very controversial groups that russia is a part of. Maybe we can talk about G20? Also why you didn’t say, who (russia) applied to IMF in 1991?
Noeliberalism was born in the two countries. So based of your statement, we can say, than all other countries are a victims of these two? Can you see what’s the problem? Oligarchs. They are the ones, that are pushing us toward “free” market economy.
Also, why are you blaming post soviet countries for neoliberalism? You know, that for us (I’m from Poland) people hated so much being slave to soviets, that we choose to join west? And as you can see, especially after joining UE, we’re right now way richer than any other post soviet country that didn’t join UE.
EU accession shocks, and global financial domination
So, if the economic growth is something wrong, why russia is also trying to regain economic power after collapse of soviet union, and why China is doing the same thing and it’s way more efficient than west? Are you also going to blame china for getting a lot of financial domination over rest of the world?
And we can talk about cold war era, where USA was supporting one side of the conflict, and soviets the other one, destabilizing the region more and more.
And why are you not talking about soviets exploitation of east block countries? Oh no, it doesn’t fit your agenda? So bad. Or we can go deeper. Can you remember why revolution started in Russia? Why tzar was killed? Because Russia was exploiting their own citizens so much, that they decided to kill elites, and this made their life better (i think that with this one you can agree?).
I’m not saying that west is good, I’m just saying, that all types of imperialism is bad, no matter where it comes, is it china, russia, usa or Europe.
Social democracy that you seem to hold in such high regard is not socialism.
Please stop lying. No straw man arguments, no lies. Maybe you didn’t understood what i wrote, so let’s go back and see
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
And in other post i agreed with statement, than in Spain they were able to establish anarchist region, and i liked that, i supported, and it was good. So this is the closest to my political views. I’m anti authoritarian, anti imperialistic. Do i support social democracy? I prefer other solutions, but still if i have to choose, Norway is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism in china.
That is why your welfare collapsed
Please stop lying, and stop with the straw man arguments and ad personam. OK? I’m not oligarch, I’m not russian oil billionaire, or USA tech bro.
As i wrote in one of the comments, west won the cold war, because they understood that, to prevent socialist revolution, they need middle class to exist. After soviet collapse, and russia turning in to another capitalist country, and china switching in to state capitalism, there is no real socialist movement in the world, so no one cares about the revolution.
The money stopped flowing. So the mask came off. You keep saying oligarchs controlling society leads to collapse. Correct. That is capitalism.
That is any system, where all the power is held in hands of small group of people. That’s why monarchies, feudalism, and soviet union collapsed, that’s why people started revolutions.
I can give you example, Poland. Polish WORKERS, working class people, started revolution to stop authoritarian government that was subordinate to soviets. Workers fought against “working class” party, that held the power for so many decades, and stop giving shit about workers. And this was common at the end of east block.
Can we say, that this was fault of capitalism? If you want to say, that authoritarian regime pretending to be working class, was a capitalism, go ahead.
Calling Western capitalism “democracy” and Eastern capitalism “authoritarianism” is childish. You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda.
One again, why are you lying? There are also authoritarian countries in the west, currently USA is turning in to authoritarian country. Stop with the straw man arguments.
You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda.
Of course that russia paying for the homophobic organizations, and supporting them way more than catholic church, is responsible for homophobia.
This is basic historical materialism. You also keep pretending Russia is some unique imperial monster trying to resurrect the tsar.
Stop lying, OK? No more straw arguments. Again, is it unique? No. Is it only imperialism? No. Is it the only big country that had tsar? Probably yes.
But somehow Russia is the singular threat to world stability.
Dude, grow up. Today we have two opposite sides, China and USA. Somewhere there there is also UE and Japan. Stop pretending that nowadays russia is some kind of super power. It’s not. Germany is a bigger alternative for USA, than ruSSia.
Historically, social democrats disarmed the
And water is wet. Why are you creating strawman arguments, pretending that I’m somehow big fan of social democracy? I said it, it’s better than state capitalism, but there are better options. Social democracy is not something that we should aim, we need more direct democracy and more power in a hands of regular people, so state is working for the people, not for the oligarchs. You can call it socialism, you can call it anarchism, and so on.
And now it’s a special round of your lies:
You want revolution in Russia while defending the same capitalist structure in Europe that would crush such a revolution instantly if it ever threatened property relations.
Stop lying. I never said that.
You are repeating the moral language of the empire.
More lies, of someone who is pretending that the most imperialistic and antiworker and antihuman country in europe, russia, some kind of alternative that we should support.
You replaced dialectical materialism with NATO talking points and think that makes you progressive.
One more lie. Where did you find out that i love nato? Someone lied to you. Only reason why NATO was created, was east block being so united, and working so close, so the west wanted to have similar military cooperation.
And in the end, east block collapse, because the same people were on the top for way too long.
Until you confront that, you will keep chasing villains abroad while fascism grows at home.
More straw man arguments, and skipping the facts. So sad.
You know what’s is sad? That i would like to have some socialist alternative to west. so USA and UE would invest way more in to the middle class, and living standards.
This reply perfectly demonstrates the problem. You do not actually understand imperialism, so every time the argument moves into political economy you retreat into vibes, NGO articles, and moral equivalence.
You keep flooding links about Russia funding far-right groups as if anyone denied that. No one did. The point you keep dodging is causality. Funding does not create fascism. It exploits conditions that already exist. Capitalist crisis creates fascism. Foreign money only rides the wave. You are confusing acceleration with origin.
If Russian money alone created fascism, then far-right movements would not have existed before 2014. They did. They existed long before Putin was president. They surged hardest after austerity, privatization, housing collapse, labor precarity, and social-democratic betrayal. That is material causation. Your articles do not refute that.
What you are doing is substituting investigation with courtroom rhetoric. “Here are some links” is not analysis.
You still do not understand what imperialism is.
Imperialism is not “any country with power.” It is a system of global capital accumulation where monopoly finance capital extracts surplus value from the periphery through unequal exchange, debt regimes, trade control, sanctions, and military enforcement. Lenin defined this over 100 years ago. Russia does not control global finance, shipping lanes, reserve currency, payment systems, or international lending institutions. The US and EU do.
That is why Russia can act regionally but not systemically.
That is why Russia cannot impose structural adjustment on Africa or Latin America.
That is why Russia cannot sanction half the planet.
That is why Russia cannot print the world’s money.
Calling every state “equally imperialist” is not anti-imperialism. It is analytical laziness that flattens reality until power disappears.
You accuse me of “skipping” China and the USSR in Africa. Again, you do not understand exploitation. Building infrastructure, providing loans without regime change, and exchanging commodities is not the same as imperial extraction. Unequal exchange means extracting surplus value through pricing power and financial domination. China gains commodities. The West gains permanent dependency. These are not the same relationships.
You keep repeating that Eastern Europe is richer now. Yes. Because you became part of the imperial core’s labor chain. Cheap labor, subcontracting, offshoring, and EU capital inflows integrated Poland upward while Africa and Latin America were pushed further down. Someone always pays. Your growth did not come from “democracy.” It came from position in the global hierarchy.
That is exactly what you refuse to confront.
You talk endlessly about oligarchs but refuse to name the system that produces them. Oligarchy is not a personality defect. It is the inevitable outcome of capital accumulation. That is why oligarchs exist everywhere capitalism exists, including Norway, including Germany, including the US.
Calling China “state capitalism” while praising Nordic capitalism just reveals which ruling class you emotionally trust.
Your hatred of “authoritarianism” is not political. It is aesthetic. You dislike governments that look rough while tolerating governments that politely manage exploitation.
You claim social democracy is closer to socialism. This is historically false. Social democracy preserved capitalism by pacifying labor while imperial extraction funded concessions. When that extraction weakened, social democracy collapsed and immediately shifted right. That is not socialism in transition. That is capitalism in disguise.
This is why social democrats sided with fascists against communists in Germany. This is why they crushed revolutionary workers repeatedly. This is why they manage austerity today. Not accident. Function.
You keep shouting “strawman” because you cannot answer structure with intention. Materialism does not care what you personally support. It examines what systems do.
You are emotionally anti-imperialist but analytically liberal.
You oppose empire morally while repeating its framework intellectually.
You believe imperialism is bad but refuse to analyze who runs the world economy.
You want socialism but reject every historical attempt because it was “authoritarian,” while defending systems that kill millions quietly through debt, sanctions, poverty, and privatized healthcare.
That contradiction is not incidental. It is social-democratic ideology.
You are angry at capitalism’s outcomes while defending its global architecture.
Until you stop replacing class relations with morality and geopolitics with headlines, you will keep mistaking symptoms for causes.
That is why you think Russia explains fascism.
It does not.
Capitalism does.
You are a child who lacks any understanding of the world beyond vibes if you don’t want to be called a liberal try moving beyond being one first before throwing a tantrum at it being pointed out.
I took some time to cool down despite your smug arrogance really pushing my buttons and realized something.
We are approaching this from completely different frameworks. You are arguing from a liberal moral viewpoint that looks for bad actors, foreign interference, and individual state behavior. I am using a dialectical materialist analysis that looks at systems, class relations, and material causation. You focus on who funds what; I focus on why those movements gain mass support in the first place. You treat propaganda and foreign money as the source of fascism, while I see them as secondary factors that exploit conditions created by capitalist crisis. You define imperialism as any powerful country acting aggressively; I define it as a structured system of global capital domination based on finance control, unequal exchange, debt, and institutions. Because of this, you reduce politics to morality and geopolitics, while I analyze political economy and class power. Until that difference is acknowledged, we are not disagreeing on facts but talking past each other.
You do not actually understand imperialism, so every time the argument moves into political economy you retreat into vibes, NGO articles, and moral equivalence.
Ad personam, zero arguments.
You keep flooding links about Russia funding far-right groups as if anyone denied that.
And yet, you’re trying to prove, that russian far right wing regime, and its imperialism it’s not a supporter of far right in the west.
Funding does not create fascism.
So, funding very radical organizations does not creates them? Look what mostly west imperialism did in the middle east just by funding religious radicals. Funding far right organizations in the hard times, it’s like adding fuel to the fire.
If Russian money alone created fascism,
This is the point that no one is stated. This is your straw man argument, that you’re trying to push for a long time, and then answering “russia is not the responsible”. Keep your straw man for yourself.
“Here are some links” is not analysis.
Giving your the links from so many sources, from Al Jazeera to The Guardian and so on. In some links there were official photos from official meeting of far right parties from europe, and everything was happening in russia for russian money and they were proud ot if. And yet for you its not analyze.
Imperialism is not “any country with power.”
No one is stating that. Stop with your lies. Russia is an imperialistic country, best example is attack on Ukraine, or whet they did in Georgia, and all the bad things that they are funding in europe, and so on and so on.
Ok, let’s go back to school, you will learn something. What is imperialism:
imperialism, state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas. Because it always involves the use of power, whether military or economic or some subtler form, imperialism has often been considered morally reprehensible, and the term is frequently employed in international propaganda to denounce and discredit an opponent’s foreign policy.
Britanica.
And what are the key parts of imperialism: Economic control? Yes, russia wants it for example in Ukraine or Belarus. Militarism - of course. Territorial expansion - of course, like attack on Ukraine, Cultural Influence - yes, funding far right wing shit in europe, or push of russian language in Belarus. What have i missed?
Of course Russia is not only imperialistic country. USA is way richer country, so they can send more troops around the world.
You accuse me of “skipping” China and the USSR in Africa.
Pretending that China or Russia is not as exploitive as west in the Africa, is a big lie. Please, stop charitiwashing of east imperialism exploiting Africa. Please, stop it.
You keep repeating that Eastern Europe is richer now. Yes. Because you became part of the imperial core’s labor chain.
No, it’s because in europe and west we’re at least pretending to respect human rights, labor laws, and thanks to situation after the war, middle class was created in the west, thus there’s still some money left in the middle class (but thanks to the neoliberalism, oligarch slowly sucking it from us). In the post soviet countries, after the collapse of the soviets, oligarchs was able to take almost everything to themself, so there’s not a lot left, and there’s no middle class, there’s very little consumption, people are poor, non educated, therefore economy is not very efficient.
Poland is a part of richer part of the world, so it’s quite obvious that we’re going to be richer. And remember, that Russia sold way more stuff, and start doing it way earlier than Poland. And yet, in Russia all the money goes to oligarchs. So regular people was not benefiting from this.
And now look on the China, and compare it to russia. China was in a pretty bad situation 30 years ago. But they invest tons and tons of money in the knowledge building, in the science, heavy industry, and so on, and now they are one of the biggest economy in the world. And in the same time, russia that was pretty rich 30 years ago, once again is very poor and shitty thanks to the oligarchs. There are a lot of bad things that we can say about state capitalism that is in the China, but still they are able to use neoliberalism in the west, and suck a lot of money from west, and bring it to China. Neoliberalism is way worst than state capitalism.
Cheap labor, subcontracting, offshoring,
And China is doing way more of that, and it’s getting richer way faster. Russia is also doing that, but thanks to oligarchs, they are failing.
EU capital inflows integrated Poland upward while Africa and Latin America were pushed further down.
And yet, Chins, is the capitol of manufacturing cheap stuff, and most of the minerals and materials are coming to china from Africa and Latin America. China is benefiting way more from Africa than EU. Why are you skipping China here?
Calling China “state capitalism” while praising Nordic capitalism just reveals which ruling class you emotionally trust.
Why are you lying? It’s so tiring, when I’m trying to give you some answers, and then you’re lying all the time, and i have to send answers to straw arguments.
China is a state capitalist country. That’s fact. What this have to do with Norway capitalism? I don’t know. Norway is a social democracy with mixed market economy. Quality of life, and labor laws are way better in Norway. Norway build it’s economy power, thanks to natural resources.
our hatred of “authoritarianism” is not political. It is aesthetic. You dislike governments that look rough while tolerating governments that politely manage exploitation.
DUDE STOP LYING_ stop ad personam. This is really rude.
As i said, i hate authoritarian regimes, that’s why I’m not a fan of any ruling class, no matter is it in Soviet Union, China, USA, or any other part of the world. And you’re pretending that imperialism and exploitation is mostly western problem. Stop lying.
This is why social democrats sided
And why Soviet Unions sided with Nazis in 1939, and they worked with Nazis on attack on Poland in 1939? And what this have to do with todays world? I have no idea.
And why are you trying to picture me as a fan of social democracy? I have no idea.
So stop lying.
You keep shouting “strawman” because you cannot answer structure with intention.
Ad personam, you’re also creating a lot of ad personam, insults. Like this one.
You are emotionally anti-imperialist but analytically liberal. You oppose empire morally while repeating its framework intellectually. You believe imperialism is bad but refuse to analyze who runs the world economy.
More lies and insults.
BTW. Oligarchs and few selected groups are ruling world economy. I listed them somewhere earlier. And countries that you’re protecting, russia and china, are part of many of these groups. But what this have to do with anything, i have no idea.
You want socialism but reject every historical attempt because it was “authoritarian,”
One more lie. Just because soviet union failed because ruling class emerged after few decades, and then it has nothing to do with socialism, or because china is state capitalism, it doesn’t mean that i’m rejecting any socialist movements.
And if you stop lying, i can give you example of socialist movement that actual worked, but it was then attacked by all the authoritarian regimes:
I’m happy that once again i can teach you something :)
You are angry at capitalism’s outcomes while defending its global architecture.
More lies. Just because I’m against russian imperialism and china state capitalism, remember that I’m also USA imperialism and exploitation of African countries. But at least, I’m admitting that Africa is exploited by west and east imperialistic countries.
That is why you think Russia explains fascism.
Expands maybe? But i gave you a lot of proofs that russia is supporting facist movements around the world. So you skipped the facts and proofs, and now you’re pretending that i never send it ? Dude XD
ou are a child who lacks any understanding of the world beyond vibes if you don’t want to be called a liberal try moving beyond being one first before throwing a tantrum at it being pointed out.
Stop licking east imperialistic boots, russia is clearly imperialistic country, it’s a far right wing authoritarian regime, and you’re licking their boots so hard. I don’t understand, what someone who supports far right authoritarian regime, is doing on this board. Are you a troll or something?
You can lie and insult me as much as possible, but this does not make you right, or far right wing imperialistic authoritarian russian regime, a force of good.
East authoritarian countries used stupidity of Western “free market” liberals, and we’re where we’re.
Right everyone is open with the fact that a lot of far right wing movements in Europe are founded by Russia. They are trying to do what mostly west did in the middle east decades ago. Put a lot of money into far right nationalist religious movements, and see how cultures are collapsing.
Russia didn’t found those groups. They find existing dissidents, give them funding, and amplify their online footprints. They really don’t care if they are left, right, or center, as long as they are pissed off and not terribly bright. Tankies of clansmen work just as well.
First authoritarian is a useless buzzword.
Second Europe and the west has had an issue with far right freaks for centuries. Regan, Thatcher, The Nazis, and the list goes on and on. Putting all the blame on Russia is not only wrong it’s just infantile bullshit.
Putin and Russian far right nationalist authoritarian Regime is a product of west. His regime is no different from Netanjahu’s.
Also Russia is a victim of this oppressive regime. There’s no democracy, no free press, no freedom, then regular people are also victims.
And I’m not saying that Russia is the only one to blame, but before trump, Russia was the one who was pushing a lot of far right wing agenda to destroy Europe. For some reasons trump don’t like strong countries in south from them, and Putin’s regime don’t want strong Europe.
You are replacing real analysis with a boogeyman handed to you by Western media. That is the core problem here. The far right in Europe is not the result of Russian influence. It is the direct outcome of decades of neoliberal restructuring. Deindustrialization wiped out working class jobs. Austerity destroyed social services. Housing became financialized. Wages stagnated while productivity rose. Social democracy collapsed after fully integrating into neoliberal capitalism. When liberal parties administer capitalist crisis, fascists fill the vacuum. That is not theory. That is observable history. The EU itself is a machine for producing reaction. It enforces privatization, bans state planning, attacks labor unions, suppresses national development, and subordinates weaker economies to German and French capital. Greece was economically strangled in full public view. Southern and Eastern Europe were reduced to cheap labor pools. This is what radicalized people, not Russian Telegram posts. In the United States the situation is even clearer. The US state has backed far right extremists for nearly a century. Nazi collaborators were absorbed and given prestigious positions through Operation Paperclip. Anti communist fascists were installed across Latin America. Death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala were trained by the US. Apartheid South Africa was supported until the very end. The Mujahideen were funded and armed, directly creating modern jihadism. None of this was hidden. It was official policy. NATO itself was built by integrating former fascists across Europe as long as they were anti communist. This is documented history. The so called liberal order has never opposed fascism. It opposes threats to capital. When fascists serve capital, they are tolerated or funded. Even today the West openly arms far right formations when geopolitically useful. Ukraine is the most obvious example, where ultra nationalist militias were integrated into state forces with full NATO support. No one in Brussels suddenly discovered a moral objection to extremism then. So the idea that Russia uniquely “pushes far right ideology” while the West defends democracy is fantasy. The far right does not rise because people are tricked by foreign propaganda. It rises because capitalism is failing to reproduce social stability. This obsession with Russian interference serves one purpose only. It shifts blame away from Western ruling classes. It turns systemic crisis into an external conspiracy. It tells people that nothing is structurally wrong with capitalism, the EU, or US empire. The problem is always an outsider. That is not analysis. Russia today is not socialist. It is not progressive. It is a capitalist state formed out of imperial collapse. Its actions are driven by security and market interests, the same as any other capitalist power. Treating it as the prime engine of global fascism is analytically unserious. Fascism is not imported. It is produced internally when capitalism enters decay. If Russia vanished tomorrow, Europe would still face collapsing living standards, demographic crisis, housing shortages, declining energy security, and an economic model that no longer works. Those conditions would still generate reaction. Blaming Russia is comforting because it avoids the real conclusion. The crisis is not geopolitical. It is systemic.
Dude, you’re repeating Russian propaganda over and over.
West the same way as Russia is a victim of neoliberalism. When soviet union collapsed due to keeping the power in the hands of the same people for way too long, then neoliberalism kicked in the same way as in whole Europe.
Transformation in the east block created many oligarchs, oligarchs choose who will rule, and they support far right as much as possible.
And when western Europe choose democracy, because cold war pushed west governments to create middle class, east block people never had this opportunity. Easy block collapsed, all the goods, factories and so one, instead of being given to regural people, was stolen by the rulling class. I’m from Poland, so this is exact what happened. And then right authoritarian regime in Russia start to blame minorities like LGBT people for situation in country.
And then years after, west countries were fighting and winnings things like keeping high social benefits and winning rights for minorities, countries like Russia was way behind. Keeping power in a hands of rulling class, oligarchs, like in Russia or Ukraine. Always leads to collapse.
One of the ways for Russia to gain more power is to weakening Europe. Oligarchs and rulling class in Russia is not going to let go, they are living like tzar family when regular people are starving. They need weak and broken Europe to at least have some power in region. In Europe no one wants to be ally of Russian far right wing regime.
Btw Russia is not progressive, it’s a right wing authoritarian regime that is trying to replicate tzar imperium times, with oligarchs on top. And regular people on the bottom. With hated for anyone who is different.
I wish for Russia to have revolution again, so normal people could get the power, and oligarchs will be you know where
Just to clarify a few thing I don’t support Russia beyond them a pole against us imperialism at this current time. I also never claimed they were progressive please stop strawmanning me you shitlib loser and try engage with what I’m actually saying.
All that being said, you are reciting liberal mythology and pretending it has any weight as serious analysis. “Russian propaganda” is doing all the intellectual labor for you. You invoke it whenever reality contradicts the story you were taught. It just goes to show how deeply invested in western chauvanism you are. You keep pretending the West is some fellow victim of neoliberalism alongside Russia. That is absurd. Western Europe and the US were not passive sufferers. They were the architects and beneficiaries of neoliberalism. IMF structural adjustment, World Bank debt traps, privatization schemes, EU accession shocks, and global financial domination were imposed by Western capital on the rest of the world. Russia and Eastern Europe were looted. The Global South was super exploited. Western corporations made record profits. Your welfare states did not fall from the sky because “democracy was chosen.” They were built on imperial extraction. Western Europe funded its middle class through the super exploitation of Africa, Asia, Latin America, and the periphery. Cheap resources, stolen labor, unequal exchange, and military domination paid for your social benefits. When that imperial margin began shrinking, austerity became the name of the game. That alone proves it was never moral capitalism. It was imperial rent-sharing. Social democracy that you seem to hold in such high regard is not socialism. It is capitalism bribing one section of workers with wealth extracted from the rest of the world. That is why your welfare collapsed the moment the USSR fell and anti-imperialist movements were crushed. The money stopped flowing. So the mask came off. You keep saying oligarchs controlling society leads to collapse. Correct. That is capitalism. Not “Russian authoritarian culture.” Capital accumulation produces oligarchy everywhere. The US has oligarchs. Germany has oligarchs. Poland has oligarchs. Elections do not remove them because capital owns the economy before voting even begins. Calling Western capitalism “democracy” and Eastern capitalism “authoritarianism” is childish. You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda. No. Reaction grows when material security collapses. People turn toward nationalism when housing, wages, healthcare, and stability disappear. Liberal identity rhetoric cannot substitute for bread. When capitalism fails to reproduce life, fascism appears. This is basic historical materialism. You also keep pretending Russia is some unique imperial monster trying to resurrect the tsar. Meanwhile the US maintains 800 military bases, sanctions half the planet, invades countries openly, and dictates economic policy across continents. But somehow Russia is the singular threat to world stability. That belief did not come from analysis. It came from Western media saturation. You are angry at oligarchs yet defend the system that produces them. You want revolution in Russia while defending the same capitalist structure in Europe that would crush such a revolution instantly if it ever threatened property relations. That contradiction is not accidental. It is social democracy. Social democracy is not the alternative to fascism. It is its moderate wing. It preserves capitalism during stability and collapses into repression when crisis returns. Historically, social democrats disarmed the working class, defended private property, and handed power to fascists rather than allow socialist transformation. Germany already taught this lesson once. You are not describing material reality. You are repeating the moral language of the empire. You replaced dialectical materialism with NATO talking points and think that makes you progressive. The far right is not rising because Russians whispered in Europe’s ear. It is rising because capitalism is decaying, imperial privilege is shrinking, and liberalism has nothing left to offer but blame. Until you confront that, you will keep chasing villains abroad while fascism grows at home.
Sorry, can you elaborate? I dont want to say, that you’re justifying one imperialism by other one. My english is not perfect as you can see, so please elaborate.
Ok, i can see it now, you wrote that it’s not progressive, my apologies.
Please be civil, and dont call me a lib. That would be nice.
I just stated fact that russia is one of the supporters of far right wing politics in the west, and that they are paying a lot for it.
You can find a lot of evidence of it. Like https://www.abc.net.au/education/how-us-youtubers-were-paid-to-spread-propaganda/104390822, https://www.euronews.com/2024/09/05/american-right-wing-influencers-duped-to-work-for-covert-russian-influence-operation-us-sa, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/10/us-far-right-groups-russia-links, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/us/politics/russia-election-interference.html,
If you don’t like these articles, and want more, here you have more, with photos and proof that russia was inviting and organizing far right meetings: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32009360, https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/exclusive-russia-backs-europes-far-right/
Please, stop with your russian propaganda. Do you need more evidences? Stop pretending that russia is not funding far right movements in europe or USA.
Then explain to me, why russia is not a victim of neoliberalism after collapse of east block? What is your statement?
Are you talking about oligarch groups, and things like Bildberg group, that russia is actual part of? It’s funny, that you skipped very controversial groups that russia is a part of. Maybe we can talk about G20? Also why you didn’t say, who (russia) applied to IMF in 1991?
Noeliberalism was born in the two countries. So based of your statement, we can say, than all other countries are a victims of these two? Can you see what’s the problem? Oligarchs. They are the ones, that are pushing us toward “free” market economy.
Also, why are you blaming post soviet countries for neoliberalism? You know, that for us (I’m from Poland) people hated so much being slave to soviets, that we choose to join west? And as you can see, especially after joining UE, we’re right now way richer than any other post soviet country that didn’t join UE.
So, if the economic growth is something wrong, why russia is also trying to regain economic power after collapse of soviet union, and why China is doing the same thing and it’s way more efficient than west? Are you also going to blame china for getting a lot of financial domination over rest of the world?
True. And this is still going on now.
Why are you skipping part about China and soviet role? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/6/as-china-africa-woo-each-other-who-gains-more-its-complex-say-experts https://africacenter.org/spotlight/china-africa-critical-minerals/ https://theconversation.com/maps-showing-chinas-growing-influence-in-africa-distort-reality-but-some-risks-are-real-249454
And we can talk about cold war era, where USA was supporting one side of the conflict, and soviets the other one, destabilizing the region more and more.
And why are you not talking about soviets exploitation of east block countries? Oh no, it doesn’t fit your agenda? So bad. Or we can go deeper. Can you remember why revolution started in Russia? Why tzar was killed? Because Russia was exploiting their own citizens so much, that they decided to kill elites, and this made their life better (i think that with this one you can agree?).
I’m not saying that west is good, I’m just saying, that all types of imperialism is bad, no matter where it comes, is it china, russia, usa or Europe.
Please stop lying. No straw man arguments, no lies. Maybe you didn’t understood what i wrote, so let’s go back and see
And in other post i agreed with statement, than in Spain they were able to establish anarchist region, and i liked that, i supported, and it was good. So this is the closest to my political views. I’m anti authoritarian, anti imperialistic. Do i support social democracy? I prefer other solutions, but still if i have to choose, Norway is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism in china.
Please stop lying, and stop with the straw man arguments and ad personam. OK? I’m not oligarch, I’m not russian oil billionaire, or USA tech bro.
As i wrote in one of the comments, west won the cold war, because they understood that, to prevent socialist revolution, they need middle class to exist. After soviet collapse, and russia turning in to another capitalist country, and china switching in to state capitalism, there is no real socialist movement in the world, so no one cares about the revolution.
That is any system, where all the power is held in hands of small group of people. That’s why monarchies, feudalism, and soviet union collapsed, that’s why people started revolutions.
I can give you example, Poland. Polish WORKERS, working class people, started revolution to stop authoritarian government that was subordinate to soviets. Workers fought against “working class” party, that held the power for so many decades, and stop giving shit about workers. And this was common at the end of east block.
Can we say, that this was fault of capitalism? If you want to say, that authoritarian regime pretending to be working class, was a capitalism, go ahead.
One again, why are you lying? There are also authoritarian countries in the west, currently USA is turning in to authoritarian country. Stop with the straw man arguments.
Of course that russia paying for the homophobic organizations, and supporting them way more than catholic church, is responsible for homophobia.
Stop lying, OK? No more straw arguments. Again, is it unique? No. Is it only imperialism? No. Is it the only big country that had tsar? Probably yes.
Dude, grow up. Today we have two opposite sides, China and USA. Somewhere there there is also UE and Japan. Stop pretending that nowadays russia is some kind of super power. It’s not. Germany is a bigger alternative for USA, than ruSSia.
And water is wet. Why are you creating strawman arguments, pretending that I’m somehow big fan of social democracy? I said it, it’s better than state capitalism, but there are better options. Social democracy is not something that we should aim, we need more direct democracy and more power in a hands of regular people, so state is working for the people, not for the oligarchs. You can call it socialism, you can call it anarchism, and so on.
And now it’s a special round of your lies:
Stop lying. I never said that.
More lies, of someone who is pretending that the most imperialistic and antiworker and antihuman country in europe, russia, some kind of alternative that we should support.
One more lie. Where did you find out that i love nato? Someone lied to you. Only reason why NATO was created, was east block being so united, and working so close, so the west wanted to have similar military cooperation.
And in the end, east block collapse, because the same people were on the top for way too long.
More straw man arguments, and skipping the facts. So sad.
You know what’s is sad? That i would like to have some socialist alternative to west. so USA and UE would invest way more in to the middle class, and living standards.
This reply perfectly demonstrates the problem. You do not actually understand imperialism, so every time the argument moves into political economy you retreat into vibes, NGO articles, and moral equivalence.
You keep flooding links about Russia funding far-right groups as if anyone denied that. No one did. The point you keep dodging is causality. Funding does not create fascism. It exploits conditions that already exist. Capitalist crisis creates fascism. Foreign money only rides the wave. You are confusing acceleration with origin.
If Russian money alone created fascism, then far-right movements would not have existed before 2014. They did. They existed long before Putin was president. They surged hardest after austerity, privatization, housing collapse, labor precarity, and social-democratic betrayal. That is material causation. Your articles do not refute that.
What you are doing is substituting investigation with courtroom rhetoric. “Here are some links” is not analysis.
You still do not understand what imperialism is.
Imperialism is not “any country with power.” It is a system of global capital accumulation where monopoly finance capital extracts surplus value from the periphery through unequal exchange, debt regimes, trade control, sanctions, and military enforcement. Lenin defined this over 100 years ago. Russia does not control global finance, shipping lanes, reserve currency, payment systems, or international lending institutions. The US and EU do.
That is why Russia can act regionally but not systemically.
That is why Russia cannot impose structural adjustment on Africa or Latin America.
That is why Russia cannot sanction half the planet.
That is why Russia cannot print the world’s money.
Calling every state “equally imperialist” is not anti-imperialism. It is analytical laziness that flattens reality until power disappears.
You accuse me of “skipping” China and the USSR in Africa. Again, you do not understand exploitation. Building infrastructure, providing loans without regime change, and exchanging commodities is not the same as imperial extraction. Unequal exchange means extracting surplus value through pricing power and financial domination. China gains commodities. The West gains permanent dependency. These are not the same relationships.
You keep repeating that Eastern Europe is richer now. Yes. Because you became part of the imperial core’s labor chain. Cheap labor, subcontracting, offshoring, and EU capital inflows integrated Poland upward while Africa and Latin America were pushed further down. Someone always pays. Your growth did not come from “democracy.” It came from position in the global hierarchy.
That is exactly what you refuse to confront.
You talk endlessly about oligarchs but refuse to name the system that produces them. Oligarchy is not a personality defect. It is the inevitable outcome of capital accumulation. That is why oligarchs exist everywhere capitalism exists, including Norway, including Germany, including the US.
Calling China “state capitalism” while praising Nordic capitalism just reveals which ruling class you emotionally trust.
Your hatred of “authoritarianism” is not political. It is aesthetic. You dislike governments that look rough while tolerating governments that politely manage exploitation.
You claim social democracy is closer to socialism. This is historically false. Social democracy preserved capitalism by pacifying labor while imperial extraction funded concessions. When that extraction weakened, social democracy collapsed and immediately shifted right. That is not socialism in transition. That is capitalism in disguise.
This is why social democrats sided with fascists against communists in Germany. This is why they crushed revolutionary workers repeatedly. This is why they manage austerity today. Not accident. Function.
You keep shouting “strawman” because you cannot answer structure with intention. Materialism does not care what you personally support. It examines what systems do.
You are emotionally anti-imperialist but analytically liberal.
You oppose empire morally while repeating its framework intellectually.
You believe imperialism is bad but refuse to analyze who runs the world economy.
You want socialism but reject every historical attempt because it was “authoritarian,” while defending systems that kill millions quietly through debt, sanctions, poverty, and privatized healthcare.
That contradiction is not incidental. It is social-democratic ideology.
You are angry at capitalism’s outcomes while defending its global architecture.
Until you stop replacing class relations with morality and geopolitics with headlines, you will keep mistaking symptoms for causes.
That is why you think Russia explains fascism.
It does not.
Capitalism does.
You are a child who lacks any understanding of the world beyond vibes if you don’t want to be called a liberal try moving beyond being one first before throwing a tantrum at it being pointed out.
I took some time to cool down despite your smug arrogance really pushing my buttons and realized something. We are approaching this from completely different frameworks. You are arguing from a liberal moral viewpoint that looks for bad actors, foreign interference, and individual state behavior. I am using a dialectical materialist analysis that looks at systems, class relations, and material causation. You focus on who funds what; I focus on why those movements gain mass support in the first place. You treat propaganda and foreign money as the source of fascism, while I see them as secondary factors that exploit conditions created by capitalist crisis. You define imperialism as any powerful country acting aggressively; I define it as a structured system of global capital domination based on finance control, unequal exchange, debt, and institutions. Because of this, you reduce politics to morality and geopolitics, while I analyze political economy and class power. Until that difference is acknowledged, we are not disagreeing on facts but talking past each other.
Ad personam, zero arguments.
And yet, you’re trying to prove, that russian far right wing regime, and its imperialism it’s not a supporter of far right in the west.
So, funding very radical organizations does not creates them? Look what mostly west imperialism did in the middle east just by funding religious radicals. Funding far right organizations in the hard times, it’s like adding fuel to the fire.
This is the point that no one is stated. This is your straw man argument, that you’re trying to push for a long time, and then answering “russia is not the responsible”. Keep your straw man for yourself.
Giving your the links from so many sources, from Al Jazeera to The Guardian and so on. In some links there were official photos from official meeting of far right parties from europe, and everything was happening in russia for russian money and they were proud ot if. And yet for you its not analyze.
No one is stating that. Stop with your lies. Russia is an imperialistic country, best example is attack on Ukraine, or whet they did in Georgia, and all the bad things that they are funding in europe, and so on and so on.
Ok, let’s go back to school, you will learn something. What is imperialism:
Britanica.
And what are the key parts of imperialism: Economic control? Yes, russia wants it for example in Ukraine or Belarus. Militarism - of course. Territorial expansion - of course, like attack on Ukraine, Cultural Influence - yes, funding far right wing shit in europe, or push of russian language in Belarus. What have i missed?
Of course Russia is not only imperialistic country. USA is way richer country, so they can send more troops around the world.
Pretending that China or Russia is not as exploitive as west in the Africa, is a big lie. Please, stop charitiwashing of east imperialism exploiting Africa. Please, stop it.
No, it’s because in europe and west we’re at least pretending to respect human rights, labor laws, and thanks to situation after the war, middle class was created in the west, thus there’s still some money left in the middle class (but thanks to the neoliberalism, oligarch slowly sucking it from us). In the post soviet countries, after the collapse of the soviets, oligarchs was able to take almost everything to themself, so there’s not a lot left, and there’s no middle class, there’s very little consumption, people are poor, non educated, therefore economy is not very efficient.
Poland is a part of richer part of the world, so it’s quite obvious that we’re going to be richer. And remember, that Russia sold way more stuff, and start doing it way earlier than Poland. And yet, in Russia all the money goes to oligarchs. So regular people was not benefiting from this.
And now look on the China, and compare it to russia. China was in a pretty bad situation 30 years ago. But they invest tons and tons of money in the knowledge building, in the science, heavy industry, and so on, and now they are one of the biggest economy in the world. And in the same time, russia that was pretty rich 30 years ago, once again is very poor and shitty thanks to the oligarchs. There are a lot of bad things that we can say about state capitalism that is in the China, but still they are able to use neoliberalism in the west, and suck a lot of money from west, and bring it to China. Neoliberalism is way worst than state capitalism.
And China is doing way more of that, and it’s getting richer way faster. Russia is also doing that, but thanks to oligarchs, they are failing.
And yet, Chins, is the capitol of manufacturing cheap stuff, and most of the minerals and materials are coming to china from Africa and Latin America. China is benefiting way more from Africa than EU. Why are you skipping China here?
Why are you lying? It’s so tiring, when I’m trying to give you some answers, and then you’re lying all the time, and i have to send answers to straw arguments.
China is a state capitalist country. That’s fact. What this have to do with Norway capitalism? I don’t know. Norway is a social democracy with mixed market economy. Quality of life, and labor laws are way better in Norway. Norway build it’s economy power, thanks to natural resources.
DUDE STOP LYING_ stop ad personam. This is really rude.
As i said, i hate authoritarian regimes, that’s why I’m not a fan of any ruling class, no matter is it in Soviet Union, China, USA, or any other part of the world. And you’re pretending that imperialism and exploitation is mostly western problem. Stop lying.
And why Soviet Unions sided with Nazis in 1939, and they worked with Nazis on attack on Poland in 1939? And what this have to do with todays world? I have no idea.
And why are you trying to picture me as a fan of social democracy? I have no idea.
So stop lying.
Ad personam, you’re also creating a lot of ad personam, insults. Like this one.
More lies and insults.
BTW. Oligarchs and few selected groups are ruling world economy. I listed them somewhere earlier. And countries that you’re protecting, russia and china, are part of many of these groups. But what this have to do with anything, i have no idea.
One more lie. Just because soviet union failed because ruling class emerged after few decades, and then it has nothing to do with socialism, or because china is state capitalism, it doesn’t mean that i’m rejecting any socialist movements.
And if you stop lying, i can give you example of socialist movement that actual worked, but it was then attacked by all the authoritarian regimes:
https://kolektiva.media/w/pKgGZtPdpr8MBeMxNTQjGJ?start=35m53s
I’m happy that once again i can teach you something :)
More lies. Just because I’m against russian imperialism and china state capitalism, remember that I’m also USA imperialism and exploitation of African countries. But at least, I’m admitting that Africa is exploited by west and east imperialistic countries.
Expands maybe? But i gave you a lot of proofs that russia is supporting facist movements around the world. So you skipped the facts and proofs, and now you’re pretending that i never send it ? Dude XD
Stop licking east imperialistic boots, russia is clearly imperialistic country, it’s a far right wing authoritarian regime, and you’re licking their boots so hard. I don’t understand, what someone who supports far right authoritarian regime, is doing on this board. Are you a troll or something?
You can lie and insult me as much as possible, but this does not make you right, or far right wing imperialistic authoritarian russian regime, a force of good.