Yeah you have no idea of time passing when put under. No matter how groggy you are when you normally wake up, you have like an intuitive feel about how much you’ve slept. Sometimes its wrong several hours and that feels weird.
But when put under the intuitive feel is just like as if had been minutes. Or two days. Your brain has no idea. It’s a weird feeling, yeah.
I don’t even know how many times I’ve been under. Many.
I mean, it’s not far off it. It’s like, a similar thing, but on a whole other scale.
Like when you doze off real fkin tired, you might wake up and have a bit of trouble with time. But with anaesthesia, you know you haven’t just got trouble with remembering where you were or when, but someone’s just gone in and taken a huge chunk out.
When you’re dozed off and confused, it’s closer to being black-out drunk. You sort of may have memories about the time, just needs the right trigger. Like someone saying a fun thing that happen ed which you recall, or when dozing off, you remember having heard the credits of a show you know that airs at a certain time.
Like as in, you’re just really uncertain. With anaesthesia, you’re certain you don’t know what the fuck happened.
It’s like the difference between being an agnostic and an atheist. One is really sure and one’s very much on the edge.
But it definitely depends on what kind of anaesthesia. There’s light, heavier and full-on. I’m sure an anaesthetist could classify them better, but basically one is slight sedation, then heavy sedation/light anaesthesia and then “proper” anaesthesia. The first would be something like perhaps a benzo (valium, diapam etc) or some laughing gas through your nose. Second is like ketamine/fentanyl or other somewhat fast acting substances. And third is just proper knockout byebye and that’s propofol. That’s what Michael Jackson died of. And if he had to take that to sleep…? I mean I can see the appeal, it’s like an off-button for the brain, but I don’t believe you really get rest while in a state like that, not the way we need.
That’s a bit dramatic but I just rewatched the Avatars and popped into my head
Propofol is the one which knocks your light right out, the medium tier with ketamine/opiates is the one which makes people all weird and giddy. (Which is sort of weird to see from Europe that Americans use for dentistry. I mean I would take it, Finnish docs would just never do that, because anaesthesia has risks and pain and trauma apparently doesn’t.)
So to answer your question… sort of? Like in the way that a tsunami is sort of like the wave you make in a puddle. But you know, different scales…
Yeah it can be relaxing, especially if you’ve slept really poorly, but on a long term basis any drug that strong will have side effects of one sort of another.
Death being one of the rarer ones. Bad luck, Jacko.
Yeah well, here the problem was, imo, a bad doctor. There would’ve been plenty ways to give the same effect without compounding the abuse from a single drug.
It’s not like you administer propofol for yourself. But the social dynamic between a celebrity that famous and anyone who isn’t would ofc be different from regular patients. And propofol doesn’t exactly have a large abuser base, which would’ve made it easier to avoid a fatal dose…
Sorry, by ‘problem’ I meant the chronic insomnia he was treating with propofol, haha.
But yeah, it’s absolutely the kind of drug only rich people could abuse, just because getting ahold of it and an anesthesiologist willing to break the rules is hella expensive.
I know you did. But a doctors could’ve tried other milder substances to make it work, but when you work for a billionaire, you kinda do what they’re telling you or they hire someone else.
So… The dr overtreated an issue they’re could’ve used multiple substances to treat with the same effectiveness, but dispersed risk.
Yeah you have no idea of time passing when put under. No matter how groggy you are when you normally wake up, you have like an intuitive feel about how much you’ve slept. Sometimes its wrong several hours and that feels weird.
But when put under the intuitive feel is just like as if had been minutes. Or two days. Your brain has no idea. It’s a weird feeling, yeah.
I don’t even know how many times I’ve been under. Many.
Yeah, this has been my experience too. It’s like teleportation.
Sometimes, when i fall asleep while doing something, i wake up dazed, confused and without any idea of how long I’ve slept or what i was doing
I have to reconstruct a timeline of the day based off clocks and memories
Is that what anaesthesia is like
I mean, it’s not far off it. It’s like, a similar thing, but on a whole other scale.
Like when you doze off real fkin tired, you might wake up and have a bit of trouble with time. But with anaesthesia, you know you haven’t just got trouble with remembering where you were or when, but someone’s just gone in and taken a huge chunk out.
When you’re dozed off and confused, it’s closer to being black-out drunk. You sort of may have memories about the time, just needs the right trigger. Like someone saying a fun thing that happen ed which you recall, or when dozing off, you remember having heard the credits of a show you know that airs at a certain time.
Like as in, you’re just really uncertain. With anaesthesia, you’re certain you don’t know what the fuck happened.
It’s like the difference between being an agnostic and an atheist. One is really sure and one’s very much on the edge.
But it definitely depends on what kind of anaesthesia. There’s light, heavier and full-on. I’m sure an anaesthetist could classify them better, but basically one is slight sedation, then heavy sedation/light anaesthesia and then “proper” anaesthesia. The first would be something like perhaps a benzo (valium, diapam etc) or some laughing gas through your nose. Second is like ketamine/fentanyl or other somewhat fast acting substances. And third is just proper knockout byebye and that’s propofol. That’s what Michael Jackson died of. And if he had to take that to sleep…? I mean I can see the appeal, it’s like an off-button for the brain, but I don’t believe you really get rest while in a state like that, not the way we need.
“In cryo, you don’t dream at all. Feels more like a fifth of tequila and an ass-kicking.”
That’s a bit dramatic but I just rewatched the Avatars and popped into my head
Propofol is the one which knocks your light right out, the medium tier with ketamine/opiates is the one which makes people all weird and giddy. (Which is sort of weird to see from Europe that Americans use for dentistry. I mean I would take it, Finnish docs would just never do that, because anaesthesia has risks and pain and trauma apparently doesn’t.)
So to answer your question… sort of? Like in the way that a tsunami is sort of like the wave you make in a puddle. But you know, different scales…
Propofol felt like the best nap ever for me, never woken up more refreshed in my life. I 200% understand why Jackson did it.
Yeah it can be relaxing, especially if you’ve slept really poorly, but on a long term basis any drug that strong will have side effects of one sort of another.
Death being one of the rarer ones. Bad luck, Jacko.
It’s the age old question, is the problem worse than the side effects from treating it?
Yeah well, here the problem was, imo, a bad doctor. There would’ve been plenty ways to give the same effect without compounding the abuse from a single drug.
It’s not like you administer propofol for yourself. But the social dynamic between a celebrity that famous and anyone who isn’t would ofc be different from regular patients. And propofol doesn’t exactly have a large abuser base, which would’ve made it easier to avoid a fatal dose…
But anyway…
Sorry, by ‘problem’ I meant the chronic insomnia he was treating with propofol, haha.
But yeah, it’s absolutely the kind of drug only rich people could abuse, just because getting ahold of it and an anesthesiologist willing to break the rules is hella expensive.
I know you did. But a doctors could’ve tried other milder substances to make it work, but when you work for a billionaire, you kinda do what they’re telling you or they hire someone else.
So… The dr overtreated an issue they’re could’ve used multiple substances to treat with the same effectiveness, but dispersed risk.