The father of modern robotics introducing us to the concept of robots everyone
lol imagine telling people you will get people jobs and reinvigorate the auto industry etc. and then telling people there are things called robots that will replace them and it’s a good thing the auto companies are shrinking the workforce.
I’m generally pro industrial automation (it’s useful and as an engineer some of the most fun stuff to implement), but you can’t go from 0-100, we’ve seen what that looks like with tesla. You have to slowly and steadily ramp it up. Also the laborers deserve compensation for being automated away
There’s a lot of republicans working that factory floor that will ignore this.
Then will try to blame Biden or Obama when they lose their jobs.
There’s a list of republicans working that factory floor encouraged by it, thinking full well “They won’t take my job, just the lazy paint line”. My job is actually important.
You’re gonna have a thing that you already had for 4 decades!
The president of the USA, people! Nobody is smarter than him!
Its always 0-100 when it fucks over and automates the workers, but we godda take is slow and steady when it comes like trans or indigenous rights into law, because we wouldn’t want to jump the gun or anything.
This is why Ford can’t hire mechanics.
The company is designing everything in CAD with no consideration of maintainance, then simple jobs that should take 30 minutes can take 2 hours. Ford has a real problem with poor engineering. The same problem affects AUDI and most German brands.
During his visit to the plant on Tuesday, Trump flipped off a Ford worker and said “f*ck you” after the employee called him a “pedophile protector.”
A gentleman and scholar, folks.
He should be fired just like that cyclist who flipped him off during his first term.
Allegedly, the person that yelled that got suspended.
Allegedly, they also said it was worth it.
Ford can’t hire techs cuz they don’t pay shit. No robot with any amount of ai nonsense in it will ever be remotely capable of replacing a mechanic. When is it ok to get the acetylene torch out? How does the bolt FEEL as you undo it, is it about to snap? Do u need to pump heat into it and feed it some wax? Did you spill brake fluid on the customers paint? Was the customer concern duplicated before determining what the repair was? Who did the diagnostic work? Was it test driven and quality checked afterward? Was the customer made aware of any other potential issues down the road? Ai and robots may be able to help in menial and manufacturing tasks but would never be capable of repair in automotive, especially not anywhere rust is common !
A robot can perfectly fine replace a mechanic if you redesign the car entirely to be machine serviceble and then also build a service center around that.
It would just cost more money to do it that way then how we currently do it. By a fuck load.
True that, but then that service shop could only work on vehicles that are designed to be compatible with that service center. It honestly wouldnt surprise me to see that sort of thing in a few decades for day some Tesla nonsense that they don’t want mechanics touching anyways.
It’s always okay to get the torch out.
And a robot can sense a bolt about to snap, because it can measure the amount of force being used. If that exceeds the force it’s supposed to take, before you reach the breaking point, then it’s time for heat and wax.
But you’re right on the rest. A robot can’t account for a bolt so rusty that it’s lost its edges and become one with the frame. Or some weird ass modifications the last owner made.
Jim Farley recently did a town hall or something similar and all the mechanics on the internet ask him to come into the shops and see what the work is actually like. He didn’t address the low pay etc. Just pay the techs more and they’ll come. A good tech needs to know air conditioning , electrical, networking amongst other stuff and they still get paid shit. Chrysler has an airbag recall listed at. 1.4hr, but it takes about 2hrs of fast paced work as an example.
Here’s Mr Subaru
Without having looked at your link, because I’m on the train without headphones and don’t want to be that guy:
You can compensate for a lot by paying people a good, stable salary. Light knows I’m tolerating some bullshit just because a permanent full-time job in a stable industry with alright pay and a strong union and workers’ council is a welcome reprieve in an unstable time. Sure, I can’t be as flexible with HO as I’d like, but at least I can make a living and support my wife without stressing out about suddenly getting a lot of time at home without office.
But even money can only do so much. Working conditions, realistic expectations, getting and heeding feedback from the people doing the actual work also matter. It’s perpetually confusing to see top management be so neglectful in their treatment of “human resources”, because even that dehumanising phrasing implies they’re resources that ought to be maintained.
Flat rate encourages bad behaviour and has ruined the automotive field for both consumers and workers, the only winners are the owners fucking us both!
Ah yes, management led time studies. The bane of my career as an industrial engineer. Sure I could lie and tell you it thinks it’ll take as long as you feel it could or what the original MOST says, but then we’d both be wrong and the workers are still either running over or skipping shit and have more turnover than a washing machine. Or we could talk to the worker, track how long it actually takes a regular worker at a reasonable pace, see if anything is impeding their ability to do what needs done, then tell the budget people the actual price to do the task.
No, management does not like me.
I’ve written before about this, but it’s very unlikely that Ford (the OEM/manufacturer) has this many auto technicians (people that perform car repairs using existing tooling and documentation).
Most likely, these positions are for Mechanical Engineers or similar. These would be people doing R&D, analyzing failure trends, etc. They would not be the ones working in the service department of your local Ford dealership, because those people are employees of the dealership and not Ford.
Well the article clearly states Ford is complaining that he cannot fill 5,000 mechanic positions so I figured he’s talking about mechanics, especially since he’s been in the news for the last 3+ months crying about these high paying tech positions that don’t exist LOL. The ad may say u can make 100j a year but that’s only possible if you make more than 40 hours a week on flat rate, so these job ads are misleading. Sure if you get nothing but gravy work because your buddies with the service advisor you can make that money, but fuck up with the shop politics or get a rash of shit jobs and a slow month and your not making what they advertise.
In a previous article, they also said there’s no training program for mechanics. This tells me that either they aren’t talking about auto technicians, or they’re full of shit.
That is exactly what all the factory line workers said in the eighties.
Repetitive factory assembly of one vehicle and automotive repair share just about nothing besides that a vehicle is involved in both. This is like saying a robot could replace a tailor because robots make clothes in factories, this is something that only makes sense if you don’t know anything about either lol.
The human dingus will still put your drain plug back on with the biggest Milwaukee impact in the toolbox 🤭
I have had to replace a land rover engine to the tune of about 38k$ after a dingus at a chain oil shop drained the transmission then dumped another 6 quarts of oil into the sump. The diesel ran away from being overfilled till it windowed the block with a rod. Nothing is idiot proof! That’s why u go go shops that care instead of the cheapest available place, you get what you pay for!
It’s why I do 99% of my own work on my cars.
As you should, your mechanics aren’t typically paid to give a shit! Do everything you can on your own I bet you paid for most of ur tools and still saved money on the first 3 things u did if u count what you’d have paid in labor. That and it’s good to know ur way around what’s likely one of the most valuable assets you own that sees daily use. Being useless is a luxury for the rich!
Or just forget about it. I’ve known multiple people who had an engine ruined because of that.
I predict that robots are gonna be a big factor in the future and it’s gonna help out.
He really did peak in the '80s.
And yet, tariffs were to bring manufacturing jobs back, right?
Ooohhh so here is where a ford worker called him “protector of pedofiles” and he got mad? Poor guy. If you watch the video, you can see how mad he gets for it.
Edit: the video in question is this:
The fact that the president flipped off a constituent during a press event is pretty unprecedented. I don’t think it’s been done in a hundred years, if ever. The man is not well, and neither is his party.
He does something unprecedented at least once a day
There was a more general flipping off of the constituents in canada in the 80s. The Trudeau Salute.
I mean even Biden called a reporter a “son of a bitch” to the guy’s face.
Totally warranted imo, but I think that was also unprecedented? Maybe I’m forgetting some stuff about LBJ though.
I would not be surprised if LBJ whipped out Jumbo and pissed on someone.
Or just let his balls flop out of his fly.
“Pedophile…”
fingerguns “you sonuvabitch, you know it!”
“Protector!”
flips the bird “fuck no, the only pedo I protect is peDonald! Only I will be allowed to diddle kids!”
He’s already suspended.
His go fund me made a half million dollars :D
The worker? Fired, you mean?
I read suspended, but wouldn’t be surprised if he was sent to an ICE facility only to be deported to some off shore brutal prison.
Probably suspended because of the Union.
ooh source on that clip please?
Idiot probably envisions C3PO and R2D2 building F250s.
more like this model:
you’re gonna have a thing called robots, and robots are gonna be a big factor. I predict that robots are gonna be a big factor in the future and it’s gonna help out.
I mean, industrial robots have been a pretty prominent thing at auto manufacturers for an awfully long time.
EDIT:
https://www.thehenryford.org/collections-and-research/digital-collections/artifact/183434/
Robot, First Unimate Robot Ever Installed on an Assembly Line, 1961
Unimate robots were the world’s first successful industrial robots. The units, designed by Unimation Inc., could perform tasks in manufacturing facilities that were difficult, dangerous, or monotonous for human workers. This is the first Unimate ever used on an assembly line. It was installed at the General Motors plant in Trenton, New Jersey, in 1961 to unload a die-casting press.
I would be so incredibly ashamed if that would be my president. So unproffesionally childish…
I’m ashamed that he’s president.
We have a word “fremdschämen” for when you feel ashamed for someone else over what he does/is. I do that with him.
And he even managed that twice, it’s unbelievable.
Unprofessionally childish is the first in a litany of descriptors used to exemplify this rectal fissure’s countenance. And yes, there’s a good number of us here that were/are ashamed and would rather have seen him on his hands and knees taking it dry while serving the rest of his pathetic existence in prison for his inaugural attempt at usurping our laws and peace during his first tenure as Diddler-in-Chief.
An average random person off the street would very likely be a much better president than this guy who’s actively trying to loot and destroy the country.
He’s reaching far beyond our borders
I mean, the average citizen put him there again, so I’m not quick to trust their range of ability for reason and behavior.
Along with the help of massive election interference if not down right fraud.
How eloquently put 😊 And it must suck big sweaty monkey balls to live there AND see what’s happening. I’m sorry man.
No worries, and take heart. There’s plenty of us here that are ready to “…hoist the black flag, and start slitting throats”, we’re just waiting for some of the others to catch up. If nothing else, Americans have traditionally been slow on the uptake, but quick to adapt once the last vestiges of comfort are perceived to be fleeting. At least that’s the hope I personally cling to.
Ha! Good luck with that. If it’s not even too late for direct action in whichever direction. Also would not say those thing publicly, even if it’s Lemmy. Unless you’re adequately secured in the Backend. You can never ever be TOO careful 😉
Fair enough.
It’s really too bad we live in a world where even quoting words from a 1930’s Boston satirist, to make a metaphorical and illustrative point, could be remotely construed as an act of violence.
Oh, would you like at that! We’re already back to the “unprofessionally childish” bit again! 🤣
lol, true. But we’re all scanned deeply, you americans down to the bonemarrow as you got even less rights to privacy…But you can never be too sorry, but you can once be too little. Even a paranoid can actually be followed :)
We already have a thing called robots. Didn’t he say this in an assembly plant?
