the main is issue is not that occasionally there are black nazis, really. Let’s table that for another discussion.
if you only make racist comments at home… is that an action?
In a loose definition, yes. However, again, to keep us on track here, I don’t think we need to focus on the exact definition of an extended qualia phenomenon in epistemology/alethiology.
I think its reasonable to assume we are talking about observed, lived and experienced phenomena by at least two conscious humans.
lots of people misread
that’s why I went with the n-word, hard R. There’s little to be misread.
I do find that kind of discussion tedious so if we’re going to get into “but what do we mean by a word? a thought? a person?” - I’m out, that’s sophistry that i find frustrating.
If there was an online community of black users using the n word in a comical or therapeutic text… is that permissible?
uno reversi: how does one ensure an online community of black users without moderation? doesn’t it presuppose a selection process to suggest that closed communities can exist? And if there is no moderation (/“censorship”) there is no “from outside” because no one can possibly be excluded.
maybe some of your friends would agree with you and you’d form a new closer friend group based on that.
kinda my point: racists find each other and piss in the pool until there’s only racists left. That’s only not a bad thing if you think racist communities should exist, or all communities should be racist - something i don’t think is worth debating.
, a lot of subs became dominated by loud offensive types as long as there was popular agreement and they used the ‘tolerance’ approach to push their toxic agendas
how is that disagreeing with me? that’s what I’m saying is the problem: if you don’t remove an issue, it compounds. Reddit has a level of moderation, and this statement seems to be saying that you should censor it more
frankly, that’s what I do. ever ‘group’ i have been a part of inevitable tips over into exclusionary thinking over time. they start open and welcoming, and then insecure people start taking over and policing people’s words and beahviors, and then I leave.
I also see the flipside, a established group gets criticized for not changing it’s discourse to be more ‘inclusionary’… but often those critics have no interest in joining, they just want to police from the outside because they too are insecure and controlling types of people.
Personally I don’t think it’s for me to tell other people how to live their lives, or what to say or think or do. Let racists be racist in their racist pool. I don’t believe in a social project of imposing my form of justice on other people, because to me that’s just authoritarian. I also regard a lot of contemporary ‘anti racist’ rhetoric as incredibly racist. I also don’t think certain words are universally wrong or offensive given they are used in context.
ke I don’t think Huck Finn is a racist book, but in 2025, a lot of people certainly seem to think that. Because of the use of a word they think is universally wrong, and they have no concept of context, historical or literary. Like, is a community about Huck Finn, pulling quotes from a book, racist? According to many ‘policies’ it would be. That’s insane to me.
But I also don’t believe in white washing our history the way a lot of people on the left, and on the right, seem hellbent on doing.
the main is issue is not that occasionally there are black nazis, really. Let’s table that for another discussion.
In a loose definition, yes. However, again, to keep us on track here, I don’t think we need to focus on the exact definition of an extended qualia phenomenon in epistemology/alethiology.
I think its reasonable to assume we are talking about observed, lived and experienced phenomena by at least two conscious humans.
that’s why I went with the n-word, hard R. There’s little to be misread.
I do find that kind of discussion tedious so if we’re going to get into “but what do we mean by a word? a thought? a person?” - I’m out, that’s sophistry that i find frustrating.
uno reversi: how does one ensure an online community of black users without moderation? doesn’t it presuppose a selection process to suggest that closed communities can exist? And if there is no moderation (/“censorship”) there is no “from outside” because no one can possibly be excluded.
kinda my point: racists find each other and piss in the pool until there’s only racists left. That’s only not a bad thing if you think racist communities should exist, or all communities should be racist - something i don’t think is worth debating.
how is that disagreeing with me? that’s what I’m saying is the problem: if you don’t remove an issue, it compounds. Reddit has a level of moderation, and this statement seems to be saying that you should censor it more
so leave the pool?
frankly, that’s what I do. ever ‘group’ i have been a part of inevitable tips over into exclusionary thinking over time. they start open and welcoming, and then insecure people start taking over and policing people’s words and beahviors, and then I leave.
I also see the flipside, a established group gets criticized for not changing it’s discourse to be more ‘inclusionary’… but often those critics have no interest in joining, they just want to police from the outside because they too are insecure and controlling types of people.
Personally I don’t think it’s for me to tell other people how to live their lives, or what to say or think or do. Let racists be racist in their racist pool. I don’t believe in a social project of imposing my form of justice on other people, because to me that’s just authoritarian. I also regard a lot of contemporary ‘anti racist’ rhetoric as incredibly racist. I also don’t think certain words are universally wrong or offensive given they are used in context.
ke I don’t think Huck Finn is a racist book, but in 2025, a lot of people certainly seem to think that. Because of the use of a word they think is universally wrong, and they have no concept of context, historical or literary. Like, is a community about Huck Finn, pulling quotes from a book, racist? According to many ‘policies’ it would be. That’s insane to me.
But I also don’t believe in white washing our history the way a lot of people on the left, and on the right, seem hellbent on doing.