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Right after ICE Agent Johnathan Ross executed a US citizen in cold blood
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The lady they shot sure didn’t get any of that due process. Hypocrites.
“When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning”
Well, that’s an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any “due process” occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.
also, cops are immune to prosecution, so the court of public opinion is like, all they have
The ruling in Harlow v Fitzgerald was actually illegal according to the full text of the law as written and passed. SCOTUS was given an illegally amended copy of the law.
Qualified Immunity is illegal.
no that can’t be true, obviously a just and honorable institution like the supreme court would have caught a mistake in the time since and corrected it. are you trying to besmirch the supreme court’s honor? you know theyre the SUPREME court, right? how dare you
Sorry Sque
They’re not completely immune. If the action is egregious enough or unpopular enough with the public (which seems to be what they’re complaining about), police can be convicted of crimes. Derek Chauvin, for example.
It took me way too long to realise it’s the immunity that’s qualified, not the officer.
Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.
Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.
Yeah, I feel like that’s a rather large thing to have overlooked. How the fuck do you release a statement saying citizens have a presumption of innocence when the guy literally judged and executed a citizen on the spot?
Sounds about right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror
exact same due process as any other citizentreated like an innocent person and are often moved districts for a fresh start FTFYIn the “we’re going to investigate ourselves” phase, yes, of course. However sometimes police are charged with crimes for their actions. Clearly far, far less often then anyone else would be prosecuted in court for the same crimes.
When its public enough and visible enough that it can’t be avoided, sure.
And then once things die down, they get pardons, or a win on appeal by a friendly judge, whatever, and back on the street in anither district. From DUIs to manslaughter and more, and fully reinstated. Some aren’t as lucky and just end up with a suspended sentence and probation.
The number who actually go to prison for their crimes is miniscule.
I’m curious about the due process of getting shot in the face…
If you live there you’ll find out first hand soon enough, I guess.
But yeah it’s a valid question.
There are also two glaring problematic assertions with that part that imo should bear removal of those involved in this statement from law enforcement:
'Citizens are afforded… ’ categorically false. All people in the USA are afforded due process, regardless of citizenship.
Becoming a politician does not lessen ones right to free speech. The very fact they have the balls to make this statement about their bosses (the state and local governments) shows an inherent insubordinatio and lack of respect for the structure from which they derive their authority: the states laws and governance.
Fire these fucks, and threaten a Regan style retaliation against any cops striking or protesting their dismissal (ie any cop protesting or striking over the decision is bamned from seeking LE employment in the state, for life)
Good point that per the constitution, it’s everyone, not just citizens. I had a discussion with a deluded conservative coworker about that recently and he couldn’t accept that’s what the constitution says.
I agree that it’s really inappropriate for them to be making these claims and discussing politics at all. Not surprising as the police union has been a problem in general for decades.
But people say mean things about them online :(
“Doing their jobs”
What does that job involve? Murder, surveillance, imprisonment, harassment of the community?
Yeah jeez wonder why it’s such an issue
Maybe their job is morally repugnant and shouldn’t exist. How about that?
Innocent people don’t have to hide behind masks you stupid motherfuckers.
Luigi did and he’s innocent
Luigi was just going about his life. Not engaging in law enforcement. Maybe I should have said “Innocent cops”
there are no innocent cops. the problem with cops isn’t that they wear masks, it’s that they wanna ban everyone else from doing the same. same with gun ownership, they want to maintain the monopoly on violence so we can’t defend ourselves
In the war between ICE and civilians, the police have declared they’re siding with ICE. They have identified themselves as your enemy, and everyone should act accordingly.
Lol, my first thought was, “no one has said shit about cops on this until you opened your mouth and picked a side.”
The Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police folks apparently are blind or totally corrupt because the videos show one of their own executing a citizen in broad daylight with many witnesses present. Their response is to lie like criminals.
They will be judged to be on the wrong side of history.you can’t call cops corrupt, that would imply that the system is broken. they’re doing the job the police was always created to do, white supremacy
I miss the days when people admitted wrongdoing occasionally. What we have now is denial of obvious facts caught on video and millions of liars contradicting said facts and they will continue to lie about them, in perpetuity.
Same. There was something in the news recently where Marjorie Taylor Green mentioned her MAGA training “to never apologize and to never admit when you’re wrong”.
I left like the media just kind of glossed over the fact that this is actual MAGA politician training. I always assumed this was their unofficial playbook, but that was the first I’ve ever heard of an actual training being mentioned.
So yeah, I suppose it makes sense why we never see the common sense “whoops, my bad” apology from them nowadays.
Doesn’t surprise me. The MAGA public didn’t even need the training. They were mostly already there and then just kinda picked it up naturally when they saw it modelled. Feels like they’d always wanted permission to never apologize and then they got it.
Jeeze, when I watched the video it never occurred to me that the murderer and all his accomplices were the victims.
Thanks, FOP, my eyes are opened! Could you please send me any boots you need licked?
Normally a group of people perverting the course of justice by covering up each other’s crimes is called a criminal conspiracy. As an aside, what about female cops? Do they have their own gender-segregated old girls club or do they need a male ‘sponsor’ to get the same ass-coverage?
Make no mistake, the court and law system are supposed to operate under the presumption of innocence. If someone sees a video of someone else murdering someone then the law will do their thing (or try and the FBI will block the investigation… classy) but people who actually watch the video footage from multiple angles can come to their own conclusions.
Btw i knew Jonathan Ross checked his mask after walking back from the vehicle but watching the footage again he also checked his mask IMMEDIATELY after firing, before even putting the gun back in it’s holster…The kind of thing you’d do if you’re thinking “oh shit i just fucked up, i hope they don’t figure out my name is Jonathan Ross.”
funny how the idea of felony murder is turned upside down when the police do it
ACAB
ACAB verified
I think not murdering people would make your jobs less difficult and dangerous.
As has been said before, and will be said again:
Fuck The Police.
They exist to enrich themselves, have a powertrip as a day job, gain a higher effective class of citizenship, and to protect the property rights of the oligarchs.
Anything else they ever do is basically an accident, an incidental, occasional side effect stemming from the particular manner in which they carry out their actual purposes for existing.
