• diprount_tomato@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    It definitely is just reforming capitalism tho. If you want it in America you don’t have to overthrow any government, just vote them out of the white house

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      1 year ago

      Yep, just support and vote left for the next few decades. Take a page from the conservative handbook and mobilize a base that will actually turn out to vote. Conservatives have spent the last 50 years fine-tuning their messaging and tapping into a base that will get involved in politics down to a local level and it’s working.

      We have conservative schoolboards across the country deciding what will be taught, activist ideological judges waiting for Federalist Society-trained lawyers to bring the next case deregulating another corpo safeguard and religious fundamentalists regulating peoples genitals.

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        1 year ago

        What left? There is no left in mainstream American politics (but that’s what they want you to think so they can get your vote)

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      1 year ago

      I can’t think of any successful implementation of socialism following from voting alone. Unionising tends to be where the power comes from.

      The historical success rate of overthrowing the government and replacing it with something more ideologically pure doesn’t really inspire confidence either. Sometimes it might be a necessary step on the winding path of history, but in terms of making anything better in the short term the track record is a bit iffy at best.

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        1 year ago

        Does public ownership and maintenance of infrastructure count as socialism? If so, that definitely happened.

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          1 year ago

          Which countries do not have public ownership and maintenance of infrastructure?

          And no that isn’t socialism.

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      1 year ago

      What a naively stated belief in a country with a clearly broken democracy. Actually, not a democracy, a Republic.

      You people have two parties only (FUCKING TWO!), both of which are in bed with billionaires, both of which are basically run by super pacs filled with elites and bagmen.

      The only good thing that ever happened to America was the revolution and the amazing ideals that came from there. The USA could have gone the Bolshevist route and Washington a dictator, but it had higher goals for a liberal democracy. And then corporations turned it into a pig’s trough.

      The most ironic thing about America is you’re obsessed with your slave-owning founding fathers but I am certain they would be revolted at what you’ve built for yourselves in 2023.

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        1 year ago

        You really think the American Revolution created or had good ideals? Like, it was made by slave owners who wanted to evade British taxes

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      1 year ago

      lol yeah the lib approach of “vote harder” - look at how that goes. the closest thing they had was Bernie sanders and he was railroaded by the dnc. you’re asking the wolf to watch the wolfs.

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        1 year ago

        Bernie Sanders lost by 3 million votes, so yes “vote harder” would absolutely have changed that situation