I never denied famines or the gulag system, I specifically said the gulag system was a horrible system of political persecution.
If Gaza was suddenly powerful, youd see a horrible series of massacres against Israelis. After the french revolution you had a horrible series of executions and white terror.
Systems of Authoritarian oppression often occur after revolutions, during famines, or during times of instability. That’s human nature in all systems.
What Lysenko did to perpetuate famines (to maintain his position) was in no way small. Now you’re minimizing the undesired and unintended famines.
They were directed politically after the fact but neither China nor Russia wanted them. No government actively wants a famine… Yet you’ll happily attribute it to these two governments in particular.
Are there other national famines you incorrectly think were desired by governments/ideologies?
…and I’m not talking about artificial shortages such as in Ireland, Bengal, or the concentration camps of the boer war… You know, Colonial famines.
They were directed politically after the fact but neither China nor Russia wanted them. No government actively wants a famine… Yet you’ll happily attribute it to these two governments in particular.
Are there other national famines you incorrectly think were desired by governments/ideologies?
…and I’m not talking about artificial shortages such as in Ireland, or the concentration camps of the boerwar… You know, Colonial famines.
“No government actively wants a famine… except for those non-red fascist states!”
Sorry that you believe that colonialism cannot be performed by an imperialist state with a long history of colonialism, if it has a coat of red paint. We - or rather, you - are done here.
You are incorrect, the mass famines of the USSR and CCP were mostly caused by a single conman, named Trofim Lysenko, who was lying about agricultural techniques/results in order to keep his job (taking his bag like a true economic opportunist):
or the gulag system,
This you?
It feels like a false equivalence to compare liberal-in-name governments to socialist-in-name governments after the horrors that the USSR and CCP unleashed upon the world.
To that point, even the Gulag system whilst being a horrible and targeted system of political persecution, even there the vast majority of victims survived (1 million died in Gulags, 17 million survived). So you’re adopting misinformation because you’re coopted into Capitalism.
Systems of Authoritarian oppression often occure after revolutions, during famines, or during times of instability. That’s human nature.
So now we’ve moved on from “There weren’t horrors and even if there were, it wasn’t their fault” to “Everyone does it when stressed”
Wait, but if you’re quoting them acknowledging it…
…then you claim they were saying “there weren’t horrors”… isn’t that a bit like trying to have your cake and eat it too? They were either denying it, or actively discussing it - and it doesn’t look like they were denying it (just discussing the causes in a way you don’t like).
Wait, but if you’re quoting them acknowledging it….
In the same dubious way that ‘acknowledging’ there was ‘unrest’ at Tiananmen Square whilst blaming the protesters is acknowledging the Tiananmen Square massacre, fucking sure.
They were either denying it, or actively discussing it - and it doesn’t look like they were denying it
“It happened but it was just a little mistake by one man, no one involved really wanted it and they all tried to stop it!”
If someone said that about the Holocaust, would that be:
A. Denialism
OR
B. Not denialism?
Fucking forget it. One post here, and one test post on ML three months ago?
I never denied famines or the gulag system, I specifically said the gulag system was a horrible system of political persecution.
If Gaza was suddenly powerful, youd see a horrible series of massacres against Israelis. After the french revolution you had a horrible series of executions and white terror.
Systems of Authoritarian oppression often occur after revolutions, during famines, or during times of instability. That’s human nature in all systems.
What Lysenko did to perpetuate famines (to maintain his position) was in no way small. Now you’re minimizing the undesired and unintended famines.
They were directed politically after the fact but neither China nor Russia wanted them. No government actively wants a famine… Yet you’ll happily attribute it to these two governments in particular.
Are there other national famines you incorrectly think were desired by governments/ideologies?
…and I’m not talking about artificial shortages such as in Ireland, Bengal, or the concentration camps of the boer war… You know, Colonial famines.
“No government actively wants a famine… except for those non-red fascist states!”
Sorry that you believe that colonialism cannot be performed by an imperialist state with a long history of colonialism, if it has a coat of red paint. We - or rather, you - are done here.
This you?
This you?
So now we’ve moved on from “There weren’t horrors and even if there were, it wasn’t their fault” to “Everyone does it when stressed”
Wait, but if you’re quoting them acknowledging it…
…then you claim they were saying “there weren’t horrors”… isn’t that a bit like trying to have your cake and eat it too? They were either denying it, or actively discussing it - and it doesn’t look like they were denying it (just discussing the causes in a way you don’t like).
Are you a Tankie?
In the same dubious way that ‘acknowledging’ there was ‘unrest’ at Tiananmen Square whilst blaming the protesters is acknowledging the Tiananmen Square massacre, fucking sure.
“It happened but it was just a little mistake by one man, no one involved really wanted it and they all tried to stop it!”
If someone said that about the Holocaust, would that be:
A. Denialism
OR
B. Not denialism?
Fucking forget it. One post here, and one test post on ML three months ago?