what’s curious to me is that you present yourself as some sort of leftist while not actually knowing anything about left wing political theory including anarchism which you claim to subscribe to lol. do you think you’re doing anarchism when you stay awake passed your bed time?
china doesn’t claim to be a socialist utopia, they’re a marxist government operating in a global capitalist economy trying to build toward socialism that’s catered specifically to the material conditions of china and the chinese people. the two cheap ass “gotchas” you tried to throw at me were just you getting yourself and showing everyone you don’t know shit about any of this. it’s weird to me you would make a site dedicated to something you know nothing about, cultivate an online personality around something you know nothing about etc. real fed behavior tbh
china doesn’t claim to be a socialist utopia, they’re a marxist government operating in a global capitalist economy trying to build toward socialism that’s catered specifically to the material conditions of china and the chinese people.
Minor correction, comrade, China is already socialist and believes it to be (for good reason, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and the working classes run the state, though obviously not a utopia either). They are trying to develop said socialism to higher degrees, which requires 2 major factors:
Development of the productive forces
A downfall in western imperialism
They already have productive forces higher than the USSR ever had, now, but the second point is important and fundamentally tied to the first. China isn’t trying to go it alone, and has learned a lot from the struggles faced by the USSR. If China tried to jump to a soviet style economy quickly, then the interconnections they have with the global capitalist economy would be significantly hampered. That’s actually why in the new Five Year Plan, they are focusing on increasing domestic demand; this builds independence and self-reliance.
As the global south develops and the US Empire falls, China becomes much more free to aggressively re-socialize the private sector. In the meantime, they limit the private sector itself to the small and medium secondary industries, with few exceptions, ensuring that capitalists never get the upper hand on the economy.
What this creates is a tight balancing act that is decidedly different from how the soviets proceeded, but because of that difference we can both predict the continuation of socialization in China and the downfall of imperialism.
I don’t get how people run the state in china? Like in representational democracy people are voting for the representative which then votes for PM/chanceler
How does china do it? I only ever saw Xi Jin Ping in power
People’s congresses are directly elected at a local level, and these representatives directly elect people at the provincial level, and so forth until the top rung. At the same time, consensus-building and regular connection at all levels to the people directly occurs. In addition, around 3000 people are elected to the NPC based on district population for five year terms, and this is one of the major democratic organs for legislation. The result is comprehensive democracy focused on unity over division.
didn’t mean to imply china wasn’t socialist, just that they’re not claiming to be a classless moneyles stateless society, that the anarkiddy was talking about. i was more using their terms
…or i’m a working class person living in america who can’t afford to just move to china
anarchists trying to conceptualize not having a rich mom and dad to fund their existence challenge level: impossible
Curious that you need to afford to live in “socialism” , innit?
what’s curious to me is that you present yourself as some sort of leftist while not actually knowing anything about left wing political theory including anarchism which you claim to subscribe to lol. do you think you’re doing anarchism when you stay awake passed your bed time?
china doesn’t claim to be a socialist utopia, they’re a marxist government operating in a global capitalist economy trying to build toward socialism that’s catered specifically to the material conditions of china and the chinese people. the two cheap ass “gotchas” you tried to throw at me were just you getting yourself and showing everyone you don’t know shit about any of this. it’s weird to me you would make a site dedicated to something you know nothing about, cultivate an online personality around something you know nothing about etc. real fed behavior tbh
Minor correction, comrade, China is already socialist and believes it to be (for good reason, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned and the working classes run the state, though obviously not a utopia either). They are trying to develop said socialism to higher degrees, which requires 2 major factors:
Development of the productive forces
A downfall in western imperialism
They already have productive forces higher than the USSR ever had, now, but the second point is important and fundamentally tied to the first. China isn’t trying to go it alone, and has learned a lot from the struggles faced by the USSR. If China tried to jump to a soviet style economy quickly, then the interconnections they have with the global capitalist economy would be significantly hampered. That’s actually why in the new Five Year Plan, they are focusing on increasing domestic demand; this builds independence and self-reliance.
As the global south develops and the US Empire falls, China becomes much more free to aggressively re-socialize the private sector. In the meantime, they limit the private sector itself to the small and medium secondary industries, with few exceptions, ensuring that capitalists never get the upper hand on the economy.
What this creates is a tight balancing act that is decidedly different from how the soviets proceeded, but because of that difference we can both predict the continuation of socialization in China and the downfall of imperialism.
I don’t get how people run the state in china? Like in representational democracy people are voting for the representative which then votes for PM/chanceler
How does china do it? I only ever saw Xi Jin Ping in power
People’s congresses are directly elected at a local level, and these representatives directly elect people at the provincial level, and so forth until the top rung. At the same time, consensus-building and regular connection at all levels to the people directly occurs. In addition, around 3000 people are elected to the NPC based on district population for five year terms, and this is one of the major democratic organs for legislation. The result is comprehensive democracy focused on unity over division.
didn’t mean to imply china wasn’t socialist, just that they’re not claiming to be a classless moneyles stateless society, that the anarkiddy was talking about. i was more using their terms
Figured! Just wanted to clarify in case that wasn’t the case, and for any onlookers.
/disengage
@[email protected] is saying that moving is expensive, which is true. China is more affordable to live in than the US, but being able to move across the world, especially to a country with a language godlessworm likely doesn’t know, takes a large upfront investment of time and money. It’s not difficult to find examples of statesians moving to China and finding it much easier to make ends meet after doing so, but being able to move there in the first place is the problem.