Man wrote a book for me, so I’m actually going to stop and read it, then edit this comment later (=
Oh yea, my idea is that people will fight for their own self-interest, obviously. So if I design an uh…“living package” that is minimally expensive, and makes you not-dependent on outside factors for your basic survival, encourage trade between communities, an ethical system that means those who seek to exploit or subvert this new movement, get shunned (as all have to agree to a set of ethical terms, and they will see how those working against this system will go against their own self-interest).
I have a lot of kinks to work out there, in free time. I need to buy and test a “living kit”, and stick to it. This needs to be a start to something bigger. As for how I plan to deal with violent outside interference, a good part of the plan is that I would be sapping those outside, malevolent forces of their power, by denying them subjects. The movement would basically by leaderless, and based on economics by the time it takes off, and trying to regulate it, would draw aggro, and drain support away from The Powers That Be.
To make things even more interesting, these communities would be able to operate independently by design, so violence against them would be quite hard (good luck cutting supply lines, electricity, destroying food). If I have plans other than hoping people organize to defend themselves, I am sure as fuck not revealing them.
I’m not baiting you into fedposting and I reject it entirely but it is possible to make references to historical examples or to talk in hypotheticals without signing your name to it, for example, after mentioning what you have then following up by saying “I’ve heard that the Venezuelan Colectivos are armed and trained to act as a community self-defense force so it will be interesting to see how effective they are and what can be learned from their model of community self-defense” - you aren’t saying “we should do this” or “I’m forming this myself where I live” but the allusion is enough to gesture at an example without getting yourself dragged before a court, that is assuming you even want to discuss something like this publicly online in at all. It’s easy enough to read between the lines but also you have boatloads of plausible deniability if you ever had to account for posting a comment like that. OpSec is always priority.
I get what you’re saying about draining away the power from capitalisms and/or statism but my question is - what has happened to every utopian commune to ever exist? Either they pose a threat and they get taken down (and it’s not like any commune could resist against the forces of a power like the US military) or they peter out.
In my opinion what you’ve described is a way of building the new world within the shell of the old, except with extra steps. This is going to come off as uncharitable but this is the exact trajectory that Revolutionary Catalonia took in terms of defending the revolution - they started largely with very classic anarchist-ish policy (including economic policy) and over time the issues with public safety, a mafia-like org holding too much power as a sort of shadow state, labor discipline and economic productivity, attempts to organize production and logistics etc. all led them to start reinventing the Bolshevik wheel. In a smaller, shorter way (that has much less in terms of documentation) this is also the trajectory that the Makhnovshchina took as well.
Man wrote a book for me, so I’m actually going to stop and read it, then edit this comment later (=
Oh yea, my idea is that people will fight for their own self-interest, obviously. So if I design an uh…“living package” that is minimally expensive, and makes you not-dependent on outside factors for your basic survival, encourage trade between communities, an ethical system that means those who seek to exploit or subvert this new movement, get shunned (as all have to agree to a set of ethical terms, and they will see how those working against this system will go against their own self-interest).
I have a lot of kinks to work out there, in free time. I need to buy and test a “living kit”, and stick to it. This needs to be a start to something bigger. As for how I plan to deal with violent outside interference, a good part of the plan is that I would be sapping those outside, malevolent forces of their power, by denying them subjects. The movement would basically by leaderless, and based on economics by the time it takes off, and trying to regulate it, would draw aggro, and drain support away from The Powers That Be.
To make things even more interesting, these communities would be able to operate independently by design, so violence against them would be quite hard (good luck cutting supply lines, electricity, destroying food). If I have plans other than hoping people organize to defend themselves, I am sure as fuck not revealing them.
I’m not baiting you into fedposting and I reject it entirely but it is possible to make references to historical examples or to talk in hypotheticals without signing your name to it, for example, after mentioning what you have then following up by saying “I’ve heard that the Venezuelan Colectivos are armed and trained to act as a community self-defense force so it will be interesting to see how effective they are and what can be learned from their model of community self-defense” - you aren’t saying “we should do this” or “I’m forming this myself where I live” but the allusion is enough to gesture at an example without getting yourself dragged before a court, that is assuming you even want to discuss something like this publicly online in at all. It’s easy enough to read between the lines but also you have boatloads of plausible deniability if you ever had to account for posting a comment like that. OpSec is always priority.
I get what you’re saying about draining away the power from capitalisms and/or statism but my question is - what has happened to every utopian commune to ever exist? Either they pose a threat and they get taken down (and it’s not like any commune could resist against the forces of a power like the US military) or they peter out.
In my opinion what you’ve described is a way of building the new world within the shell of the old, except with extra steps. This is going to come off as uncharitable but this is the exact trajectory that Revolutionary Catalonia took in terms of defending the revolution - they started largely with very classic anarchist-ish policy (including economic policy) and over time the issues with public safety, a mafia-like org holding too much power as a sort of shadow state, labor discipline and economic productivity, attempts to organize production and logistics etc. all led them to start reinventing the Bolshevik wheel. In a smaller, shorter way (that has much less in terms of documentation) this is also the trajectory that the Makhnovshchina took as well.
Interesting. Sigh tons to crunch over when I have actual time