Women have equality and a generally preferable status in Western society. I sure as hell wish I was a woman. My sexual assault would’ve been taken seriously, police would be less suspicious and hostile toward me, better education opportunities, better financial support.
Focusing on their issues is comparable to an egalitarian focusing on issues that affect white people. I’m sure everyone here would question that, right?
lol women have equality, in what country. almost women in most country are subservient to men even in western ones, pay wise, socially wise, men arnt being called sluts and cunts for refusing dates. another fine example is the glass cliff, woman will be put at the forefrunt of a position only so that she can take the fall for whatever happens to a company or employment. women getting SA are almost always ignored in most cases
Oh my friend, first of all you’re wrong. 1/3 of women are or were victims of sexual assault. What percent of men? That’s equality? Shit, Trump is a self-confessed pedo and rapist, and he will never see jail time. What percent of billionaires are women? What percent of US politicians? … The truth is rough, isn’t it.
Also, why not consider non-white women? Have you read about the challenges that they face? Maybe you should look into it.
As a guy that was falsely accused of domestic violence and rape, I experienced firsthand the huge difference in how such accusations are viewed. I was assumed guilty, especially by law enforcement, the legal community and friends, neighbors and coworkers I wasn’t close with. It was tough, and embarrassing too.
That said, I fully understand that I was the odd case. Far more women genuinely experience sexual assuault and abuse by men and struggle to get the support they need than men that experience what I did… the difference is orders of magnitude. Just because I experienced some unequal treatment based on my gender doesn’t change the fact that women disproportionately suffer greatly at the hands of men and awareness and change is needed.
My personal experience doesn’t diminish the vastly greater numbers of women that suffer worse.
Very much so but it’s the difference in how men and women are treated in a whole range of scenarios at issue here. Feminism specifically tries to address the significance inequity in how women are treated vs men. Just because there are situations where men are at a disadvantage compared to women doesn’t change the fact that overall women suffer far greater disadvantages than men.
Discovering someone supports feminism shouldn’t provoke a “but what about the situations where men are at a disadvantage?!?” reaction
It’s almost like things can happen independently of one another, and that it’s wrong either way. Nobody is saying “sexual assault against men doesn’t exist” when they say “1 in 3 women have experienced sexual assault”.
It’s depressing that we have to point out such basic ideas.
Not at all. I just think women have fewer issues, or less severe ones in Western societies. Could be a “grass is greener” situation, but that’s just my opinion. I can think of very few reasons to not prefer being a woman.
You mean the sex trafficker who went to prison for exactly that?
I wish the guy who assaulted me went to prison for it… or anything, really. Instead, when I reported it, they just took photos of my extensive bruising and lacerations on my neck from strangulation, “lost” the clothes with DNA I gave them, and did nothing to the man. They asked me multiple times if I was gay, as if they didn’t believe I wasn’t (as if that’d even matter).
I had to file a federal lawsuit myself since no lawyers care, and men don’t have the same organizational or social support. I’m alone in this, currently in the federal court of appeals retrying to reverse a summary judgment.
“But women have that problem too!” is literally an “All lives matter” take, is it not?
I wish the guy who assaulted me went to prison for it… or anything, really.
Just want to let you know I feel for you. Really sorry that happened to you and that this kind of thing does happen. I hope you don’t let it continue to reduce your quality of life.
I do feel like a lot of self proclaimed feminists are dismissive of sexual assault against men. I’ve often seen responses like “but it’s men who are usually the perpetrators”, which I think really shows they’re coming from an us vs them perspective and they don’t have much empathy for the male victims, because of their gender.
You mean the sex trafficker who went to prison for exactly that?
No, I mean the president who has been found liable for SA, and countless other accusations and blatantly obvious corruptions around this trafficking ring.
I wish the guy who assaulted me went to prison for it… or anything, really. Instead, when I reported it, they just took photos of my extensive bruising and lacerations on my neck from strangulation, “lost” the clothes with DNA I gave them, and did nothing to the man. They asked me multiple times if I was gay, as if they didn’t believe I wasn’t (as if that’d even matter).
I agree. It’s horrible that this happened to you. This is a huge problem, and it’s not exclusive to male victims like you seem to think.
“But women have that problem too!” is literally an “All lives matter” take, is it not?
You’re truly a lost cause here. Won’t be engaging any further with this disengenous argument.
You’re truly a lost cause here. Won’t be engaging any further with this disengenous argument.
No, the “all lives matter” comparison seems spot on. No problem is unique to men or women or people of color. Yet some problems are clearly worse for those groups.
You’re acting like I’m saying women are universally believed and supported. In reality, it’s just much better for them, even if not perfect.
So am I, yet you’re happy to dismiss me :) I also never went to the police because I knew they would never believe me. Likewise I know many women do not report it for exactly the same reason. I’m not misogynistic enough to think women have the better end of SA.
I don’t value the opinion of sexists. Just like I don’t value J.K. Rowling’s opinion despite her also being a victim of S.A.
Ironic that you would claim I’m saying “all lives matter” in some way.
I pointed out something that is much more a problem for men than women, then you lament about how it’s also a problem for women. That is textbook “all lives matter” rhetoric.
Or are you claiming that women DON’T get more support when it comes to SA?
I didn’t dismiss you, I pointed out the harm you did to an SA survivor. I never said men had it worse, you did that to try and discredit my point. And you should have empathy for your enemies, it helps you understand them.
As someone who has watched family rot from the inside due to dementia, yeah. It’s a horrific fate. Not gonna cry over him but a “that sucks man” is only human.
It’s also a small demonstration that that the empathy gap, the one that prefers women to men, comes mostly from men.
Of those I’ve spoken to, most women take male SA quite seriously. Most women are fine with them making more than the man. Most women agree that young men are being left behind
It’s the guys who are the ones with the singular answer: suck it up.
Women have equality and a generally preferable status in Western society. I sure as hell wish I was a woman. My sexual assault would’ve been taken seriously, police would be less suspicious and hostile toward me, better education opportunities, better financial support.
Focusing on their issues is comparable to an egalitarian focusing on issues that affect white people. I’m sure everyone here would question that, right?
lol women have equality, in what country. almost women in most country are subservient to men even in western ones, pay wise, socially wise, men arnt being called sluts and cunts for refusing dates. another fine example is the glass cliff, woman will be put at the forefrunt of a position only so that she can take the fall for whatever happens to a company or employment. women getting SA are almost always ignored in most cases
Oh my friend, first of all you’re wrong. 1/3 of women are or were victims of sexual assault. What percent of men? That’s equality? Shit, Trump is a self-confessed pedo and rapist, and he will never see jail time. What percent of billionaires are women? What percent of US politicians? … The truth is rough, isn’t it.
Also, why not consider non-white women? Have you read about the challenges that they face? Maybe you should look into it.
As a guy that was falsely accused of domestic violence and rape, I experienced firsthand the huge difference in how such accusations are viewed. I was assumed guilty, especially by law enforcement, the legal community and friends, neighbors and coworkers I wasn’t close with. It was tough, and embarrassing too.
That said, I fully understand that I was the odd case. Far more women genuinely experience sexual assuault and abuse by men and struggle to get the support they need than men that experience what I did… the difference is orders of magnitude. Just because I experienced some unequal treatment based on my gender doesn’t change the fact that women disproportionately suffer greatly at the hands of men and awareness and change is needed.
My personal experience doesn’t diminish the vastly greater numbers of women that suffer worse.
being falsely accused of rape/and dv is pretty different of being SA.
Very much so but it’s the difference in how men and women are treated in a whole range of scenarios at issue here. Feminism specifically tries to address the significance inequity in how women are treated vs men. Just because there are situations where men are at a disadvantage compared to women doesn’t change the fact that overall women suffer far greater disadvantages than men.
Discovering someone supports feminism shouldn’t provoke a “but what about the situations where men are at a disadvantage?!?” reaction
It’s almost like things can happen independently of one another, and that it’s wrong either way. Nobody is saying “sexual assault against men doesn’t exist” when they say “1 in 3 women have experienced sexual assault”.
It’s depressing that we have to point out such basic ideas.
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Yeah yeah #alllivesmatter, we get it.
Empathy gap in action. You just dismissed a SA survivor because they don’t agree with you and are male. Think on this for a bit.
The empathy gap was the OP assuming women don’t have the same issues, and more
Not at all. I just think women have fewer issues, or less severe ones in Western societies. Could be a “grass is greener” situation, but that’s just my opinion. I can think of very few reasons to not prefer being a woman.
This reeks of red pill incel rhetoric, honestly.
The president of the United States was involved with sex trafficker. I promise you, sexual assault against women is not being taken seriously either.
You mean the sex trafficker who went to prison for exactly that?
I wish the guy who assaulted me went to prison for it… or anything, really. Instead, when I reported it, they just took photos of my extensive bruising and lacerations on my neck from strangulation, “lost” the clothes with DNA I gave them, and did nothing to the man. They asked me multiple times if I was gay, as if they didn’t believe I wasn’t (as if that’d even matter).
I had to file a federal lawsuit myself since no lawyers care, and men don’t have the same organizational or social support. I’m alone in this, currently in the federal court of appeals retrying to reverse a summary judgment.
“But women have that problem too!” is literally an “All lives matter” take, is it not?
Just want to let you know I feel for you. Really sorry that happened to you and that this kind of thing does happen. I hope you don’t let it continue to reduce your quality of life.
I do feel like a lot of self proclaimed feminists are dismissive of sexual assault against men. I’ve often seen responses like “but it’s men who are usually the perpetrators”, which I think really shows they’re coming from an us vs them perspective and they don’t have much empathy for the male victims, because of their gender.
No, I mean the president who has been found liable for SA, and countless other accusations and blatantly obvious corruptions around this trafficking ring.
I agree. It’s horrible that this happened to you. This is a huge problem, and it’s not exclusive to male victims like you seem to think.
You’re truly a lost cause here. Won’t be engaging any further with this disengenous argument.
No, the “all lives matter” comparison seems spot on. No problem is unique to men or women or people of color. Yet some problems are clearly worse for those groups.
You’re acting like I’m saying women are universally believed and supported. In reality, it’s just much better for them, even if not perfect.
I’m sure there’s way better examples than the president. He’s in an entirely unique position and can do things that would land anyone else in prison.
So am I, yet you’re happy to dismiss me :) I also never went to the police because I knew they would never believe me. Likewise I know many women do not report it for exactly the same reason. I’m not misogynistic enough to think women have the better end of SA.
I don’t value the opinion of sexists. Just like I don’t value J.K. Rowling’s opinion despite her also being a victim of S.A.
Think on this for a bit.
Ironic that you would claim I’m saying “all lives matter” in some way.
I pointed out something that is much more a problem for men than women, then you lament about how it’s also a problem for women. That is textbook “all lives matter” rhetoric.
Or are you claiming that women DON’T get more support when it comes to SA?
I didn’t dismiss you, I pointed out the harm you did to an SA survivor. I never said men had it worse, you did that to try and discredit my point. And you should have empathy for your enemies, it helps you understand them.
The person I replied to said men had it worse. You apparently didn’t even know what I talking about when you replied to me if you didn’t know that.
And fuck no, do you empathy for Trump?
As someone who has watched family rot from the inside due to dementia, yeah. It’s a horrific fate. Not gonna cry over him but a “that sucks man” is only human.
I wish every second of his life is full of suffering before he dies.
And that’s your prerogative, I hope you let hate control you less, it’s something I work on as well
It’s also a small demonstration that that the empathy gap, the one that prefers women to men, comes mostly from men.
Of those I’ve spoken to, most women take male SA quite seriously. Most women are fine with them making more than the man. Most women agree that young men are being left behind
It’s the guys who are the ones with the singular answer: suck it up.
Anecdotes aren’t data. Show data
Huh? I was literally making a statement that added onto your’s.
Edit: wow is this like an astroturfing account? I feel like I’ve seen many these days on Lemmy…
Nah I just don’t like sexist trash