We, the admin team, decry all forms of settler-colonialism, and we recognize that Zionism is a pro-settler-colonialist position.

Therefore we propose that should no longer be accepting of any Zionist accounts on our instances.

Please upvote for agree, downvote for disagree.

Note: we only count votes by instance members of dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus, plus a few vouched-for external users.


Hi mateys, I’ve kept things simple in the above text, for brevity, but in fact it took the admin team quite a while to get to this stage. We have discussed the policy change extensively, and a variety of different perspectives emerged. I will attempt to sum them up below as best I can:

  • The “this isn’t that complicated” school of thought goes something like this: If someone is consistently posting comments that mirror Hasbara talking points (e.g. justifying the genocide in Gaza, consistently painting Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the victim), then they should be instance banned. It’s just not acceptable for Zionists to be allowed on our instances.

  • The “slippery slope” / “purity test” school of thought is that banning people for having an “unpopular” political opinion would potentially mean banning half the fediverse, if more and more of these policies were enacted over time. To attempt to mitigate this we are keeping the scope of this rule as narrow as possible, and I also don’t think many of our users will be affected. Also, we typically don’t have frequent policy changes, and I have no reason to expect that to change moving forward.

  • Another important discussion point was “how do we decide whether someone is pro-Zionist or not?” We can’t always be 100% sure of someone’s true intentions, we can only go on what they have posted and that is subject to interpretation. I don’t feel there is an easy answer to this one, except to say that we would have to be pretty certain before issuing a perma-ban.

  • The “geopolitics don’t matter” school of thought is that trying to be on the “correct” side of every issue is kind of pointless because nothing that happens in lemmy chat forums will ever make an ounce of difference in the real world. Don’t bother moderating users over political/ideological differences, just let people argue if they want. While I can totally empathize with this sentiment, I can also see the case for taking a clear stance on this topic in accordance with our values and the overwhelming support for the Palestinian cause among our users. Personally, I am advocating in favor of the resolution.

Please add your comments below if you want to provide your own thoughts on the topic, or have any questions.

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    • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world
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      24 hours ago

      Germany should and does exist. It got denazified.

      Maybe Israel should be dezionised, then allowed to exist

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        18 hours ago

        So you are saying Nazi Germany did get abolished as a country and they had to give up all the land they colonized.

        Or are you going to say Poland is Germany?

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      1 day ago

      You’re doing exactly what fundamentalist right-wing nut-jobs from Israel are doing towards Palestine.

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          1 day ago

          To keep to your example: he didn’t say “Nazis are evil and need to be hunted”. He said “Germans are evil and need to be hunted”.

          Feel the difference, or nah?

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              5 hours ago

              Did you, though?

              You wrote:

              Do you think Israel should exist?

              Where’s the mention of Zionists?

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                Since making the connection between Nazi Germany Israel appears incredibly difficult because you do not understand the difference between Nazi Germany and Germany, let us simplify this.

                Should Apartheid South Africa have been abolished yes or no?

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                  2 hours ago

                  Mate, it’s super simple - either you fucked up, or you’re advocating for genocide. That’s all there is to it.

                  You wrote:

                  Do you think Israel should exist?

                  This is a direct quote from you. I didn’t change it in any way.

                  You didn’t say “do you think Zionists should exist”, you didn’t say “do you think Likud should exist”, you didn’t say “do you think right-wing fundamentalists in Israel should exist”.

                  You suggested Israel in itself existing is something bad.