We, the admin team, decry all forms of settler-colonialism, and we recognize that Zionism is a pro-settler-colonialist position.

Therefore we propose that should no longer be accepting of any Zionist accounts on our instances.

Please upvote for agree, downvote for disagree.

Note: we only count votes by instance members of dbzer0 and anarchist.nexus, plus a few vouched-for external users.


Hi mateys, I’ve kept things simple in the above text, for brevity, but in fact it took the admin team quite a while to get to this stage. We have discussed the policy change extensively, and a variety of different perspectives emerged. I will attempt to sum them up below as best I can:

  • The “this isn’t that complicated” school of thought goes something like this: If someone is consistently posting comments that mirror Hasbara talking points (e.g. justifying the genocide in Gaza, consistently painting Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the victim), then they should be instance banned. It’s just not acceptable for Zionists to be allowed on our instances.

  • The “slippery slope” / “purity test” school of thought is that banning people for having an “unpopular” political opinion would potentially mean banning half the fediverse, if more and more of these policies were enacted over time. To attempt to mitigate this we are keeping the scope of this rule as narrow as possible, and I also don’t think many of our users will be affected. Also, we typically don’t have frequent policy changes, and I have no reason to expect that to change moving forward.

  • Another important discussion point was “how do we decide whether someone is pro-Zionist or not?” We can’t always be 100% sure of someone’s true intentions, we can only go on what they have posted and that is subject to interpretation. I don’t feel there is an easy answer to this one, except to say that we would have to be pretty certain before issuing a perma-ban.

  • The “geopolitics don’t matter” school of thought is that trying to be on the “correct” side of every issue is kind of pointless because nothing that happens in lemmy chat forums will ever make an ounce of difference in the real world. Don’t bother moderating users over political/ideological differences, just let people argue if they want. While I can totally empathize with this sentiment, I can also see the case for taking a clear stance on this topic in accordance with our values and the overwhelming support for the Palestinian cause among our users. Personally, I am advocating in favor of the resolution.

Please add your comments below if you want to provide your own thoughts on the topic, or have any questions.

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  • Knightfox@lemmy.world
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    So because you believe the other side of your view is morally and legally wrong they don’t deserve representation and you shouldn’t have to be called out for having bad evidence or poor sources when opposing it?

    How about if a guy goes and kills someone on camera, do you think they don’t deserve to be represented by an attorney in court?

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      16 hours ago

      So because you believe the other side of your view is morally and legally wrong they don’t deserve representation

      they can have representation elsewhere. banning them here does not keep them from taking part in the fediverse.

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        16 hours ago

        But you’re not the fediverse, my whole argument has been that segregating yourself limits your internal feedback and ultimately reduces the standards of your content. The real question should be do you want to be an echo chamber?

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          The real question should be do you want to be an echo chamber?

          an anarchist echo chamber? yes, please. I will not ever, at any time, under any circumstances, for any reason, for any person, even for a second, consider any ideology, opinion, or idea, that does not include solidarity for all mankind. I’m not interested in your “devils advocate”, or your debate, or your differing opinion. if it is not helping your fellow man and lifting people up, freeing them from oppression from religions and states, then I want nothing ever to do with it.

          you cannot change my mind.

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            16 hours ago

            At the very least you have completely and totally expressed what it is you want for your community and completely expressed your expectations. I don’t know if your compatriots will agree, but it’s nice to have a definite response. Thank you!

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      Nice try. I said you can’t be a devil advocate for a state comiting genocide, killing innocent civilians and doing settler colonialism.

      Do you really believe the morality of killing innocent civilian and stealing land is a matter of opinion?

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        It’s not about whether I believe it’s a matter of opinion or not, it’s about providing good arguments to support what you say. Saying things because everyone agrees they are true is one thing, sharing bad sources which support your argument is still a bad faith argument. Saying that people shouldn’t critique bad arguments because they are representing a bad thing is a fallacy of it’s own.

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          There is no good arguments for justifying settler colonialism, killing civilians and committing genocide