I don’t particularly see how top down would work because as you said the capitalist class aren’t going to replace themselves so without a push from the bottom there will be no change and if you try and go bottom first it will be stifled and crushed out by the people currently in power unless it is a coordinated action from a large percentage of the lower class to no longer recognize their authority and just do it.
I don’t believe that people should be forced at gunpoint into jobs they don’t want but I could see non monitary benefits being used to incentivize workers move to places that need them at the very least until we have a stable system if not longer than that
As far as immediately going stateless I could see that being done in a sense but it would require those communities build up a force large enough to defend themselves from the state and unless the communities come up with a way to link together for mutual aid and become a union that is for all intents and purposes a state that can act together as one I feel it would be near impossible to best a pre existing state especially one with a massive military force already.
Not sure If that made sense but the way you explained the difference did help as I rambled my way through
and if you try and go bottom first it will be stifled and crushed out by the people currently in power unless it is a coordinated action from a large percentage of the lower class to no longer recognize their authority and just do it.
That’s how we transitioned out of monarchism and into republicanism as the dominant form of government. It didn’t happen overnight. It didn’t even happen in a decade. It happened over centuries of slowly building up local power in a decentralized method, starting from one locale that decided to ignore the established processes to distribute resources under their immediate control as they saw fit that was then copied or adapted elsewhere, until each independent locality could begin to coordinate to overthrow the central authority of the king instead of just simply subvert it.
So long as they kept the king and his men pacified, they never bothered to look at what was happening underneath the hood until it was too late. The same principles apply today and in anarchist philosophy we call this building dual power and preconfiguration.
I don’t particularly see how top down would work because as you said the capitalist class aren’t going to replace themselves so without a push from the bottom there will be no change and if you try and go bottom first it will be stifled and crushed out by the people currently in power unless it is a coordinated action from a large percentage of the lower class to no longer recognize their authority and just do it.
I don’t believe that people should be forced at gunpoint into jobs they don’t want but I could see non monitary benefits being used to incentivize workers move to places that need them at the very least until we have a stable system if not longer than that
As far as immediately going stateless I could see that being done in a sense but it would require those communities build up a force large enough to defend themselves from the state and unless the communities come up with a way to link together for mutual aid and become a union that is for all intents and purposes a state that can act together as one I feel it would be near impossible to best a pre existing state especially one with a massive military force already.
Not sure If that made sense but the way you explained the difference did help as I rambled my way through
That’s how we transitioned out of monarchism and into republicanism as the dominant form of government. It didn’t happen overnight. It didn’t even happen in a decade. It happened over centuries of slowly building up local power in a decentralized method, starting from one locale that decided to ignore the established processes to distribute resources under their immediate control as they saw fit that was then copied or adapted elsewhere, until each independent locality could begin to coordinate to overthrow the central authority of the king instead of just simply subvert it.
So long as they kept the king and his men pacified, they never bothered to look at what was happening underneath the hood until it was too late. The same principles apply today and in anarchist philosophy we call this building dual power and preconfiguration.