• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    Oh I absolutely expected USA to be surpassed by China at some point. And for USA to gradually lose international dominance.
    But the shit USA is making for itself is turbocharging that process by at least a factor 10.
    Some might say it doesn’t really make much difference because the end result remains the same. But the problem is that this doesn’t give the world the same amount of time to adjust. Disruption is generally bad, and disruption of world power is no exception.
    Of course the worst disruption is to USA, and that will have a serious negative impact on American business, and if the US dollar loses the position as the world reserve currency, the significance of the American debt will be way more serious.

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      The USA is falling like an angry giant from a beanstalk.

      But China has engineered its own collapse through fraud, incompetence, corruption and hubris. Young people aren’t having kids. They’re lying flat. So much of their growth has been nothing but waste and tofu dregs. Even their population may in reality be hundreds of millions fewer than reported.

      And Russia has proven itself no superpower.

      I guess this may be a new century for Europe. Australia is looking good. Ukraine is clearly demonstrating their quality. Personally, I hope South America and Africa finally get to flourish.

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        If USA falls completely it may be both a blessing and a curse. But yes USA is falling like an angry giant.
        But I wouldn’t underestimate China, they came from next to nothing half a century ago, to now being a global power in many ways equal to USA, leading in production but also many scientific fields and having one of the worlds 3 biggest economies while still growing their economy faster than USA and EU. They have been doing just about all the right things, investing heavily in education and infrastructure, while also improving living conditions and creating a huge middle class.

        I agree 100% that Russia is no super power, Russia is way worse off than China regarding incompetence and corruption, and they are merely the 4th biggest economy in Europe. IMO The only thing really scary about Russia is that they have nukes.

        Best wishes to South America and Africa.

        If we could have a world order built around the values of EU, based on the concept of prosperity through cooperation and mutual respect, that would be awesome. If we can agree among the different parts of the world on how to coexist, it doesn’t matter who is at the center of it or has the leadership. But as things are looking now, it can’t be USA. USA is way to disruptive to be a plausible world leader anymore.

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      We always heard that this would be China’s century, and for the most part I assumed “maayybe. We’ll see. It’d take a while for the US to decline.”

      Little did I know the US would very quickly shoot both its feet off on its own.

      I thought that if China were to become the dominant country it’d be through years and years of steady growth while the US was doing the same. They’d just end up overtaking in the long run — not that the US would actively sabotage itself via bigotry and stupidity and greed.

      Complete self own. And everyone in charge is a giant coward. We could start righting the ship today, but all the elected gop (and some dem) officials are greedy cowards.

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      Unless the EU gets rapidly closer to China I doubt it. We’ll probably see the general Euro Zone vs. China for the century.

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      biggest thing for the rest of the world is our sovereign debt crisis. greece nearly drug down the EU when theirs popped off, and their entire economy was/is just exporting crude and ripping off the occasional tourist.

      USD is the cornerstone to the entire western financial system, not to mention the countries position as one of worlds largest importers and facilitater of international trade as a whole…

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        greece nearly drug down the EU when theirs popped off,

        Erh no! Don’t trust the sensationalist stories about the Euro collapsing for this or that reason. Those stories are always without merit, my guess is they serve a purpose for speculation or are just sensationalist stories.

        USD is the cornerstone to the entire western financial system

        What are you smoking? It doesn’t make a hoot of difference to the rest of the world to trade in another currency. But more likely than not, it won’t be a single currency replacing USD, it will be a basket of currencies where USD will probably be a part.
        In Europe the Euro totally dominates the financial market and has done for years. I think you mean the currency for trade, and for that the Euro obviously dominates in Europe.

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          there’s so much wealth/debt obligations tied up in USD, your the one smoking something if you think a US sovereign debt crisis finally popping off doesn’t drag a large chunk of west down with it.