• Ricky Rigatoni@retrolemmy.com
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    4 days ago

    If communism is so great why did east germany and north korea need to build giant walls to prevent people from leaving?

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      I don’t know much about East Germany, but people do leave North Korea. There’s like 100,000 North Koreans abroad at any given time. It’s UN sanctions that prevent countries from employing North Koreans so they usually only wind up in China or Russia.

      The “wall” shit is the demilitarised zone which is the space between two countries technically still at war.

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      4 days ago

      If communism is so bad and crumbles on its own, why did USA went on cold war with a country far more war torn and backward than them? why USA always tried to overthrow communist govt? why USA assasinated allende (who was a democratically elected marxist leader) and established pinochet (who was a authoritarian fascist dictator) in chile? why did USA embargo Cuba? Why did France assassinate thomas sankara? Why did USA bomb vietnam? If communism is so bad, just let it crumble on its own? But no worlds biggest powers will try everything they can to break revolution, ofcourse they will succeed but our time will come. Dw

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        I am no expert but isn’t it enough that the Sowiet Union was the next biggest superpower and they were in war mostly because they were afraid of each other and/or each one wanted to be the only superpower regardless of the economic system?

        And even if it was about the economic system. One system can be much better than the other without the worse one automatically crumble on its own. Also both systems work best when they are the only system everyone is participating in.

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          What? It was absolutely about the economic system. Churchill and the Dulles brothers and like every important political figure in the west didn’t just dislike Russia as a superpower, they outright stated at every point that it was the economic ideology of communism they hated. Why in the world would they do things like invading Vietnam (who wanted to work with the US and considered them allies) or funding terrorism in Indonesia while they were ACTIVELY allied? They were very open about this. Where are you getting the basis of your opinions from exactly?

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          The United states, and most of Western europe, were fucking with the Soviet Union long before it became a superpower. Technically they were fucking with it before they even became the Soviet Union. During the Civil War while the whites and the reds were still fighting the United States and other countries were putting their fingers on the scales trying to help the whites.

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          Also both systems work best when they are the only system everyone is participating in.

          Not true. Capitalism without a mix of socialism is complete disaster.

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            4 hours ago

            Social safety nets under capitalism isn’t socialist. That’s just capitalists throwing a few crumbs to people so they don’t revolt.

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          Truth is only capitalism had a chance to prove its worth without real external threats, and failed miserably.

          Edit: I meant it failed for the people. It actually did wonders for the ones who imposed it.

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      Because they were satellite states of Russia. In the same vein, the capitalist satellite states (much of Africa, the Arab world, and South Asia) faired FAR worse injustices under capitalism.

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      No no you have it backwards. The wall was to stop the capitalists getting in.

      In Soviet Russia, wall builds you.