• MiltownClowns@lemmy.world
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    If it walks like ethnic cleansing and talks like ethnic cleansing then it can’t be ethnic cleansing because their grandparents went through the holocaust.

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    THIS IS NOT A NEWS SOURCE

    Xinhua News Agency, or New China News Agency, is the official state news agency of the People’s Republic of China. A State Council’s ministry-level institution founded in 1931, Xinhua is the largest media organ in China.

    Xinhua is a publisher, as well as a news agency; it publishes in multiple languages and is a channel for the distribution of information related to the Chinese government and the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Its headquarters in Beijing are located close to the central government’s headquarters at Zhongnanhai.

    Xinhua tailors its pro-Chinese government message to the nuances of each international audience. The organization has faced criticism for spreading propaganda and disinformation and for criticizing people, groups, or movements critical of the Chinese government and its policies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinhua_News_Agency

    Their press freedom ranking is “Total Oppression” which means they publish whatever Dear Leader tells them to under threat of torture, imprisonment, or death. Not news.

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        NPR is a fine source. The US has press freedom. They’re rated as “High Credibility”. You thought I’d have a problem with that?

        Don’t post shit from state-controlled propaganda networks.

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          When it comes to this conflict, no news sources are reliable. All western sources are verbatim quoting IDF and spreading propaganda. If they did this for Putin quotes we’d call them psyops. Virtually all “unbiased” media sources have completely wrecked their reputation.

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        Thanks. Op should probably update the source to this one or similar. There’s no reason to link to a bad source if good ones are available.

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          Looking at their comments here, I don’t think OP is interested in playing by the community rules.

          Propaganda is insidious.

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        The Omari Mosque was originally a 5th century Byzantine church that was built over a more ancient temple. It was converted into a mosque in the 7th century, then a Crusader church in the 11th century, and back to a mosque in the 13th century.

        The architectural elements of the Crusader church were still apparent in the modern-day mosque, and an etching of a Jewish menorah on a mosque column, believed to have been originally part of an ancient synagogue, was once documented, and was destroyed in recent decades.

        All that history- gone.

        Edit: If you want some perspective, this mosque was from the century before the Buddhas that the Taliban destroyed.

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        Thanks you for posting this. I tried searching for this story on Google News to find a reputable source and I couldn’t find one. This was yesterday morning. There were about 12 sources, all obscure, with the only one I’ve heard of being the Hindustan Times (and I really have no idea their quality).

        So before we give anyone a hard time for doubting this source, just recognize that at least when this was posted, it was suspiciously lacking any legit sources.

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      Thanks for stopping me from ingesting China’s largest media organ

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      Suggest reporting post for breaking community rules:

      Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda will be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating will be removed.

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      Feel free to point out something inaccurate in the article rather than resorting to ad hominem arguments.

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    They target mosques on Fridays specifically because that is the Muslim holy day.

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      They’ve been destroying civic buildings too. They’re trying to erase any remainder of Palestinian culture.

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          Technically, Jews Friday night to Saturday night. Many Jews go to Friday night services. Which is one of the reasons Israelis should feel kinship with Muslims, not enmity.

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              I don’t give a fuck about anyone’s religion lol.

              Every single religion can clean my asshole with their tongue after I’ve eaten Mexican for a week.

              Why do you think Zionists exist? Religion. Blame religion.

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      And also fuck Hamas and everyone who thinks that violence and killing are good ideas.

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        After 80 years of being contained by walls, tortured, kidnapped, displaced, and murdered there are undoubtedly going to be groups who resist their own genocide.

        There have been different groups over the years that were not Islamist. There have been countless non-violent resistance methods. 18 months of peaceful protest gathering at the wall - and that resulted in 200 Palestinian deaths.

        Hamas is the group that Israel funded on purpose, so they’d have an excuse to continue the genocide.

        Israel refused negotiations and bomber their own citizens. They gunned them down with Apache helicopters.

        Fuck the occupation. Fuck capitalism. Fuck apartheid and settler-colonialism. Fuck Israel. Fuck borders.

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    Tell me again how this has to do with “defending themselves.”

    Genocidal monsters.

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    When has blowing up a religious building served to reduce the intensity of conflict?

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      Probably never. Cutting of breasts of raped women and playing with that did probably also not help (source). Idiots everywhere.

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        This is debunked fake news without evidence. Stop linking your shitty israeli propaganda sites.

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          Hamas filmed their own crimes against civilians. Hamas needs to be annihilated immediately without any trace left. That said, I don’t trust Israel to do that. Entire world needs to unite and send international forces to Gaza.

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        Unfortunately many of the government presented eyewitness accounts have been thoroughly debunked. While I do not doubt that rape occurred, it looks like the Israeli government attempted to greatly exaggerate the events. This includes conflating civilian and military deaths; falsely claiming 40 babies were beheaded (only one was killed); falsely claiming children were staked together and burned alive; and more.

        What’s really flabbergasting to me is the reality was bad enough. 900 civilians killed. Grenades thrown into shelters. Cases of burning individual people to death. Cases of rape and murder. Cases of torturing people before killing them.

        They didn’t need to lie. But they did anyways and now it’s really hard to trust anything the Israeli government puts out.

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          Welcome to the ‘middle ground’ of this conflict, where the extremists on both sides demand you see and recognize only their dead, the atrocities they’ve suffered, but simultaneously ignore and downplay the people in the other end of the violence. Always pointing further into the past for justification of the most recent conflict

          Like you said, on its own a surprise attack that focused its violence to wantonly kill civilians was horrific enough to bring nearly the entire world, Arab nations included, to solidarity with Israel on Oct 7-9. Nobody was talking about illegal settlements or the annexation of Jerusalem, or any of the other perennial issues. The Likud-coalition had a lot of untenable choices suddenly very possible, and they chose this

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    Can you imagine the uproar if Russia did this in Ukraine to a christian church,but its ok its only muslims.Would make you sick.

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        While still absolutely deplorable, Russia mostly shot random shells through the roofs, or the glass exploded from nearby explosions, or they shot with machine guns.

        According to that article I didn’t see Russia throwing a targeted bunker buster bomb to explode the entire building and kill everyone inside.

        This

        Vs this

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            Man I love reading articles of Russians doing the same stuff as israel. They’re (correctly) being branded as unforgivable war criminal terrorists in every second sentence. Somehow these words never show up in articles about israel.

            The article you linked is indeed pretty bad albeit not an ancient holy site.

            The casualty rate is 300-600 out of 1500 so not everyone died. Furthermore the building is not completely flattened so the bombs they’re using seem less powerful than what israel is throwing on Gaza.

            That said you’re right, if this was an intentional targeting while they knew it was a civilian hiding spot then this is on the same level of evil.

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      Actually, russia did it… the thing is, at that time the attention was around much bigger offenses

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    If Hamas had not attacked and kidnapped citizens that would not have happened.

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        Collective punishment is terrible but unfortunately is present in every war. It’s never a fight only between soldiers.

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          Oh, it’s “unfortunate” is it? Sounds like you want us to think it’s a thing that just happened and not a decision made at the top.

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          Horseshit, don’t equate this with collateral damage. The difference is nations generally minimize civilian death, not make it the sole purpose of the offense. It wouldn’t be a war crime otherwise.

          A study covered by Ha’aretz: the civilian deaths account for 61% of deaths from air strikes in Gaza.

          This makes the Gaza slaughter more fatal to civilians than any other conflict in the entire 20th Century. The century that included many genocides and both world wars.

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            In which major war nations tried to minimize collateral damage? Because in wars like Russia, Afganistan, Syria and many others, you cannot say there was someone who tried to minimize collateral damage. They simply wanted to win and usually at any cost.

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                Pretty much because it lasts longer than any other 20th century conflict.

                Also, is it also more than WW1 and WW2?

                • For the percentage the duration does not matter.

                  And it’s considerably more than WW1. In WW1, the percentage was 41%. For WW2, estimates differ a bit, varying from 60-67%.

                  The current Gaza-conflict percentage stands at 61%, and it appears to be rising.

                  I do see I have to rectify myself a bit. I saw a headline stating it was higher than all 20th century conflicts, but the article contained a line stating it was higher than the average of all 20th century conflicts (which is about 50%). Small but significant detail, mea culpa.

                  Regardless of that, it’s higher than WW1 by a huge margin and it’s about as high as WW2 (which had death camps that civilians were sent to). If the IDF has reached that level of civilian casualties, any claims that they do their best to avoid targeting civilians have been effectively debunked.

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      Yes, let’s blame a whole country and genocide them because of Hamas.

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        Also, Hamas didn’t just come up in a vacuum. People here in Germany are radicalizing because they were asked to wear masks during a pandemic and they heard that brown people are now seeking refuge in Germany. Palestinians have been suppressed, starved and killed for decades and none of the more moderate forces have been able to do anything about it. Not that Hamas would do any better, but it’s understandable that people support more radical movements when they’re literally fighting for their survival.

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      Israel has been doing this for decades before Hamas was even a thing. Read history.

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        Other palestinian organizations have been also attacking Israel for decades. They both made terrible decisions.

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                Yes, nakba was handled terribly from Israel’s side. Especially burning villages should have never happened.

                However, on the other hand, thousands of Jews were removed from other Arab countries, as well. The comment above is again purely one sided and forgets to mention that whilst Israelis removed many Arabs from the area, Arabs did the same to the Jews.

                I condemn both of these actions. Both Arabs and Jews should not have expelled people from their homes.

                Edit: correction of typos

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                  Two wrongs don’t make a right, and Israel is killing Palestinians, not Arabs who removed Jews from other territories.

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        And because one side crossed a moral line that justifies doing the same?

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      I think some austrian painter in the 30s used this kind of logic… must be just a coincidence…

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        Please elaborate how Adolf Hitler used kidnapped civilians as a justification for his actions.

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      Israel effectively declared war on Palestine in 1967 (more accurately in 1917, but that aside). From that point onward any action with a military or political goal taken by Palestinians against their oppressors is justified.

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        Slaughtering civilians is never justified. What Hamas did was horrifying and a crime against humanity. But the reason why Hamas ever got so strong in the first place has a lot to do with how Isreal has systematically oppressed and killed Palestinians for decades. And the war it is waging now against the Palestinian people is also indefensible. It should be widely condemned, any support withdrawn and Israel should be sanctioned.

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          What Hamas did was horrifying and a crime against humanity.

          The specifics of the attack, yeah. Any action that caused harm to civilians without a clear military goal absolutely must be prosecuted as a war crime/crime against humanity. But that doesn’t make the whole attack a terror attack, because it had a clear military goal and was staged against military and political targets, is what I’m trying to say.

          We need to be aware of the difference between “Hamas committed crimes against humanity on October 7th” and “the October 7th attack was a crime against humanity”.

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        In my opinion raping women, mutilating them, even cutting off their breasts and playing with that (source) crosses a moral line.

        I despise violence and condemn both sides for the crimes they are committing.

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          I never said otherwise. That’s why I said military or political goal. We absolutely should be condemning the rape and any other deliberate murder of innocents.

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          You keep meeting the atrocities committed by Hamas when they’re really not relevant in this precise instance.

          Millennia-old houses of worship are treasures belonging to our species, not assets on a ledger belonging to any particular party in a conflict. So pointing out Hamas’ misdeeds is as relevant as pointing out the atrocities committed by the US against native Americans. It’s terrible, but it doesn’t provide context useful to the news that the IDF destroyed an ancient cultural treasure.

          I see that you repeatedly condemn both sides, and I think that’s admirable. But it still seems misguided because it sounds like you’re trying to keep score when this isn’t a soccer match. Neither side gets a pass because the other did something bad too. This mosque wasn’t on anyone’s team.

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      “If a bunch of terrorists had not attacked and kidnalled citizens, we wouldn’t have murdered citizens”

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      I can very well imagine a scenario where Hamas had solely attacked military targets and this would have still happened. Israel is ruled by the extremist far right, the love this.

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      I agree with you that Hamas is terrible and that Israel needs to destroy it, otherwise we will have 7th October every few years. Israel has the right to defend and to respond. However, at the same time, bombing 1400 years old buildings crosses the line imo. It’s incorrect to make the judgement that if Hamas are terrorists and they are Muslims that every Muslim is a terrorist as well. Hence why they should target Hamas buildings and not Muslim buildings or if they plan to get rid of mosques like this one, have a very good reason for it.

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        they should target Hamas buildings

        Hamas is a terrorist organization and not going to clearly mark their buildings in an organized or defined manner.

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          Is Hamas above using a mosque in the same way they leverage hospitals and schools and other innocent-heavy locales?

          Edit: I get its a provocative question but one of the downvoters should have a little intellectual integrity and express why thats absurf given what has been documented. If they’ll use a hospital, why is a mosque suddenly more sacred?

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          Should we then just excuse it and be like, “just let kill us because you don’t have marked buildings, so we don’t know what we can destroy. Okay, we will just leave you then.”