• randomname@scribe.disroot.org
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    5 days ago

    @schizoidman

    There is Finland, a country that was committed to neutrality since WWII. Then, in 2023, it joined Nato, and now this. I am wondering why this is?

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      5 days ago

      Isn’t it obvious?

      edit: damn, a troll just used the same line in a related matter. I am not a troll so I better explain:

      Russia started its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. This was perceived as a threat to Europe as a whole, and rightly so. There, that is why shortly thereafter Finland (and Sweden) joined NATO and has been ramping up its defenses. Not that they weren’t aware of the threat from the East before that.

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        5 days ago

        Sometimes it’s hard to portray satire and sarcasm over the web. Just look at OP’s post history, their contributions have all the same anti-European, pro-China/pro-Russia spin.

        My question was rhetorical, I apologize for the confusion ;-)

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      Neutrality was always a gamble that ‘they’ won’t go after you next. Alliances were always a gamble that you would be sucked in eventually anyway (or that by losing a major partner your life would be worse even if they don’t come)

      sweden played neutrality after wwii but had private assurance from various nato powers that if anything happened they would be there, but neutrality was better for nato. (We fortunatly have no idea if those promises meant anything)

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        4 days ago

        Finland’s “neutrality” was very different from Swedens.

        To put it very shortly:

        In the aftermath of World War II, following the formation of NATO in 1949 and throughout the Cold War, Finland maintained a position of neutrality, in what became known as Finlandization, in the face of its often complicated relations with the Soviet Union.

        Foreign policy was guided by the Paasikivi–Kekkonen doctrine, which aimed to ensure Finland’s survival as an independent sovereign, democratic, and capitalist state next to the Communist Soviet Union. This was to be achieved by maintaining good enough relations with the Soviet Union to avoid war with its eastern neighbor. The Finnish government refused foreign aid from the United States under the Marshall Plan due to Soviet pressure.

        And there was concrete reason for that, the SU had Finland by the balls, or at least by one ball, but I don’t remember right now why or how exactly that was.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland-NATO_relations