Yes I can objectively say that he was involved in mass murder. Could you please explain how the killing of hundreds of civilians, unprovoked and without warning, doesn’t constitute murder? Judged as a “flagrant violation of international law” by the UN, Bush disgustingly claimed that Panama had declared a state of war against the US, even though what really happened is that Panama declared that US had already invoked war against Panama through psychological and military harrassment (which was accurate). And then sent thousands of soldiers to invade and ultimately kill innocent civilians.
I’m not saying this individual chose to personally kill these people. But was he involved? By his own admission, yes.
I’m not saying this individual chose to personally kill these people. But was he involved?
So… by your own admission, you can’t “objectively” say he did those things… you’re speculating and assuming.
You originally claimed it as though it was an objective fact that he, personally, was a murderer… and now you’ve edited and moved the goal posts to “took part in” and then you moved it back further with “involved”. What’s next? “Associated with”? “Served with”?
None of this is “objective”, by definition. A definition in which you keep changing. So, we’re done, you’re wrong and I’m not arguing with a bad faith zealot who keeps weaseling their words to justify their illogical contempt.
Yes I can objectively say that he was involved in mass murder. Could you please explain how the killing of hundreds of civilians, unprovoked and without warning, doesn’t constitute murder? Judged as a “flagrant violation of international law” by the UN, Bush disgustingly claimed that Panama had declared a state of war against the US, even though what really happened is that Panama declared that US had already invoked war against Panama through psychological and military harrassment (which was accurate). And then sent thousands of soldiers to invade and ultimately kill innocent civilians.
I’m not saying this individual chose to personally kill these people. But was he involved? By his own admission, yes.
So… by your own admission, you can’t “objectively” say he did those things… you’re speculating and assuming.
You originally claimed it as though it was an objective fact that he, personally, was a murderer… and now you’ve edited and moved the goal posts to “took part in” and then you moved it back further with “involved”. What’s next? “Associated with”? “Served with”?
None of this is “objective”, by definition. A definition in which you keep changing. So, we’re done, you’re wrong and I’m not arguing with a bad faith zealot who keeps weaseling their words to justify their illogical contempt.
I originally claimed that he is a “murderer or at least took part in mass murder.” I have not edited or moved the goalposts. Please read closer :-)
edit: nice to see that Lemmings are simping for the US military’s illegal invasions though!