Probably a lot of fake anarchists paid (or duped) to give anarchism a bad name, to give people the wrong idea about what anarchism is, to turn them away from mutual freedom for each and all, back into the arms of daddy corporatarchy government.
Like that malarch in this thread, saying they wanted to kill 37% of everybody, because anarchism. `_`
Let me be that exception! I think the best way to destroy authoritanism, is to help people become so independent of other’s resources, that they can just decide to opt out of work for good. And there would be no way to strike against them that isn’t blatant force or robbery (Can’t cut their electricity due to bills, can’t cut their food source as they grow their own, passive water generation, technical expertise, no illegal activities, small amount of passive income to cover land tax).
They would still have small vulnerabilities, but it would be quite quite hard to force them and keep them in a toxic workplace, if they can just chill for months or even YEARS, without being forced to work. This will force workplaces to basically suck up to the average employee, increase raises, increase benefits, and oh…abuse would be completely intollerable.
All the technologies that can emancipate us, each and all.
Y’know…
All those technologies that are suppressed by capitalists to maintain their crippling extortionate rents that happen to be very polluting too.
And to, oh, y’know, undo all the McCarthyian redscare psyop that conflates anarcho-communism with totalitarian communism and presents capitalism as the system that frees them.
“Ferengi don’t want to end the exploitation. They want to become the exploiters.” – Rom
Would be a lot easier once people stop falling for all the “advertising and marketing”.
Or if someone just decides to provision everybody with spaceships of their own. Each capable of printing another of itself instantly, sustain life, with zero-point energy powered zero-inertia propulsion, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home. I hear these already exist (for about a century now). Could have not just “disclosure”, but radical provisioning sublimation. Do you have spaceships yet? And the reassurance everybody else does too so they’re not trying to take yours?
I think the best way to destroy authoritanism, is to help people become so independent of other’s resources, that they can just decide to opt out of work for good.
They would still have small vulnerabilities, but it would be quite quite hard to force them and keep them in a toxic workplace, if they can just chill for months or even YEARS, without being forced to work.
I mean, in theory, sure. But in practice, you’d need a large labor surplus that was unassailable by settler-colonialist looters. How do you marshal these reserves and defend them adequately?
Yeah, the number one issue is military capabilities, and what I fear, since I can’t and won’t teach them violence. I just hope there will be enough backlash if they are disturbed.
The point isn’t just to be a tough, individualist badass. The idea is that you can only have fair relationships, if there is nothing for others to leverage over you. The moment there’s power dynamics, you introduce corruption. But if someone has to respect you, they can choose to leave the relationship, or compromise with you.
Then you can trade all the surplus, make all the relationships your heart desires, from a clean slate. What they have to figure out, is how to organize and fight themselves if needed.
This might not be what you meant, but I’ve found 90+% of the ‘online left’ regardless of ideology to be far more ultra-left, alienated and toxic than most people on the ground, even including the drama kiddos on college campuses and split rival organizations. To everyone I highly recommend finding people in real life, if possible.
there’s also difference between being correct and being effective. right wing propaganda machines program people to exist in binaries and young leftists, new initiates i mean, have to break out of that. they have to learn to listen to the problems people are experiencing and talk about how to address those problems rather than fixating on an us/them dichotomy
Have you considered that if leftists are correct, conservatives are too, and that it’s merely a matter of perspective? It seems as though your consideration of libs being bothered may be a case of projection as it bothers you that other perspectives may be worthy of consideration as well.
leftists are correct, fascists are wrong. it’s just a matter of accepting it. fuck their murderous perspective, i know what it is and it is making most of our lives objectively worse.
no sane society would even consider letting them take it to their final consequences. let’s see how ours will do.
And great example that just because you were born to riches, does not mean you have to remain an inegalitarian maintaining the power imbalance keeping the little people down.
How is a voluntary, non-hierarchical network for sharing resources (non-material included) with the goal of community building and creating alternative governance structures, the same but less effective as using state power to regulate capitalism and provide universal social welfare founded by taxes. Those things are hardly even connected.
all IRL anarchists i ever met are based. can’t think of a single exception rn.
internet western “anarchists” are insufferable, because they are very obviously just libs trying to look cool.
Probably a lot of fake anarchists paid (or duped) to give anarchism a bad name, to give people the wrong idea about what anarchism is, to turn them away from mutual freedom for each and all, back into the arms of daddy corporatarchy government.
Like that malarch in this thread, saying they wanted to kill 37% of everybody, because anarchism. `_`
the cia has done shit like this in the past and i bet the will do it again here, but i doubt lemmy is already being intervened on just yet.
i think we are still on the passionate lib stage of things.
What exactly does based mean in this context?
it’s ancient internet slang for something cool i guess.
Let me be that exception! I think the best way to destroy authoritanism, is to help people become so independent of other’s resources, that they can just decide to opt out of work for good. And there would be no way to strike against them that isn’t blatant force or robbery (Can’t cut their electricity due to bills, can’t cut their food source as they grow their own, passive water generation, technical expertise, no illegal activities, small amount of passive income to cover land tax).
They would still have small vulnerabilities, but it would be quite quite hard to force them and keep them in a toxic workplace, if they can just chill for months or even YEARS, without being forced to work. This will force workplaces to basically suck up to the average employee, increase raises, increase benefits, and oh…abuse would be completely intollerable.
my biggest worry is they do this a lot though and are escalating.
Yeah. Bring on the emancipatory technologies.
All the technologies that can emancipate us, each and all.
Y’know…
All those technologies that are suppressed by capitalists to maintain their crippling extortionate rents that happen to be very polluting too.
And to, oh, y’know, undo all the McCarthyian redscare psyop that conflates anarcho-communism with totalitarian communism and presents capitalism as the system that frees them.
“Ferengi don’t want to end the exploitation. They want to become the exploiters.” – Rom
Would be a lot easier once people stop falling for all the “advertising and marketing”.
Or if someone just decides to provision everybody with spaceships of their own. Each capable of printing another of itself instantly, sustain life, with zero-point energy powered zero-inertia propulsion, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home. I hear these already exist (for about a century now). Could have not just “disclosure”, but radical provisioning sublimation. Do you have spaceships yet? And the reassurance everybody else does too so they’re not trying to take yours?
Would you posit that one can prosper once they have become self-reliant by achieving political, economic, and military independence?
I mean, in theory, sure. But in practice, you’d need a large labor surplus that was unassailable by settler-colonialist looters. How do you marshal these reserves and defend them adequately?
Yeah, the number one issue is military capabilities, and what I fear, since I can’t and won’t teach them violence. I just hope there will be enough backlash if they are disturbed.
The point isn’t just to be a tough, individualist badass. The idea is that you can only have fair relationships, if there is nothing for others to leverage over you. The moment there’s power dynamics, you introduce corruption. But if someone has to respect you, they can choose to leave the relationship, or compromise with you.
Then you can trade all the surplus, make all the relationships your heart desires, from a clean slate. What they have to figure out, is how to organize and fight themselves if needed.
This might not be what you meant, but I’ve found 90+% of the ‘online left’ regardless of ideology to be far more ultra-left, alienated and toxic than most people on the ground, even including the drama kiddos on college campuses and split rival organizations. To everyone I highly recommend finding people in real life, if possible.
real life leftists are fun as hell to be around. if anyone’s looking for some:
I kinda got excited about redneck revolt but their website says they disbanded in 2019.
Good.
Harder to usurp and pervert.
the national org did but the local groups are still active. probably look for things that say either “redneck revolt” or “john brown society”
there are niches with good people but i get where you are coming from.
i think most leftists are yet to learn how to use the internet effectively. that and they get heavily censored in corporate social media.
Or left it entirely over a decade ago.
As opposed to internet communists who are well known for not being insufferable
leftists in general are correct (anarchists and communists alike), a lot of libs are bothered by that.
i think this is the main reason, regardless of how annoying the specific terminally online individual might be.
there’s also difference between being correct and being effective. right wing propaganda machines program people to exist in binaries and young leftists, new initiates i mean, have to break out of that. they have to learn to listen to the problems people are experiencing and talk about how to address those problems rather than fixating on an us/them dichotomy
Have you considered that if leftists are correct, conservatives are too, and that it’s merely a matter of perspective? It seems as though your consideration of libs being bothered may be a case of projection as it bothers you that other perspectives may be worthy of consideration as well.
Da fuq you on about?
leftists are correct, fascists are wrong. it’s just a matter of accepting it. fuck their murderous perspective, i know what it is and it is making most of our lives objectively worse.
no sane society would even consider letting them take it to their final consequences. let’s see how ours will do.
Yeah. Maybe should cease being played into being against each other.
Unite freedomwards.
No more falling for the terror psyop of each being out to take away your freedoms. Cui bono.
anarcho capitalism!
Ewww no!
maaaaan can’t make it right …
If either of them don’t do mutual aid their dead to me.
Commies that say they do mutual aid because of communism I kindly remind them. “You actually do mutual aid because of Kropotkin.”
is that,
If either of them don’t do mutual, aid their dead to me.
or
If either of them don’t do mutual aid they’re dead to me.
?
kropotkin was an anarchist, anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist. i’m talking about libs, not actual anarchists.
And great example that just because you were born to riches, does not mean you have to remain an inegalitarian maintaining the power imbalance keeping the little people down.
Well done Kropotkin.
yeah not all piggies are heartless, and some of them will help us out. shoutout to engels too, and a (small) handful of others.
Mutual aid is the same as social democracy, just less effective.
How is a voluntary, non-hierarchical network for sharing resources (non-material included) with the goal of community building and creating alternative governance structures, the same but less effective as using state power to regulate capitalism and provide universal social welfare founded by taxes. Those things are hardly even connected.
Varies.
I can think of a few notable differences.