No, let’s focus on the totally evil government of a country that has never invaded anyone and keep pushing them as the most evil thing on the planet with the Totally True™ Stories of intergenerational prisons, of government-sanctioned haircuts, and of big big totalitarianism and prison system (nevermind the US being the highest prison population country). Their government system may be weird and have some cult of personality, but nothing to do with the entire destruction of the country by the US and its later isolation from the global stage, right?
A country getting bombed into Rubble doesn’t justify it becoming a hereditary monarchy no matter how much whataboutism you toss around. Nor do the sins of other countries absolve the sins of the Kim family towards their own country.
A country getting bombed into Rubble doesn’t justify
It’s not about justification, it’s about the way history works. Germany, subjected to unaffordable reparations after WW1, turned to Nazism because such conditions breed right wing extremism. It was afterwards collectively decided not to repeat that mistake and Germany was allowed to flourish again. This is a well understood political phenomenon, and the damages to the DPRK done by the American government and military and posterior efforts in sanction had exactly the desired effect.
I agree with you on a great many things. Learning about Laos via meeting some locals in Riviera Beach (not the nice one you’re thinking of) and some wiki hole after seeing the Anthony Bourdain episode. I’m not going to argue that the US is some bastion of moral righteousness. But just any dictatorship is << than whatever the fuck we got going on. Ffs Kim just murdered his own uncle in broad daylight not a fucking year ago.
There are levels of fucked uppedness, and North Korea’s current regime is just south of the Khmer rouge.
Edit: love that there is someone supportive of murdering people with glasses in this! Go on, tell how reeducation through labor is a good thing!
But just any dictatorship is << than whatever the fuck we got going on
By what metric? The USA is complicit in the genocide of >500k Palestinians over the past few years, what has North Korea done similar to that in the past 30?
Public execution for big one. Again homie, I’m not disagreeing with you that the US is fucked and has an outsized prison population(I did read your whole post and links). But North Korea is really fucked up. And it’s not all propaganda. But a closed society like that can easily manipulate numbers like the US is currently trying to do.
Why do you think trump likes Kim so much? They are the same, and they are not good people.
Edit: I love that I upset a few of you tankies. Keep the hate coming!
Ok, how many public executions have taken place in North Korea for the past 30 years? Give me metrics, please. Please, provide any qunagitative quantitative measures for the things you’re talking about. I’m a Spaniard and I could tell you about my democratic government literally dissolving the corpses of tortured and murdered political activists in chemicals so that there would be no evidence.
This argument started with me mentioning Kim murdering his uncle. So at least one. Which is, again, >>>than the US(who also suck btw). I’m really not trying to be combative with you homie. I don’t want this exchange to be adversarial, because I’ve seen your name around and again, I agree with you on a ton of shit. But dictatorships ain’t the hill to die on.
I don’t want the exchange to be adversarial either, but I asked you for metrics, not for “one person was murdered in North Korea”. You are the one making the claim “North Korea is significantly worse than the USA” while the USA is supporting genocide and has already disappeared 75k civilians since the start of the Trump mandate through ICE.
Now give me the metrics that make North Korea that much worse.
I see. Confronted with numerical evidence of the USA and being asked for numerical evidence on North Korea, the cognitive dissonance is so strong that you must leave the conversation. I’ve been polite but serious, btw, haven’t been particularly hostile
I said “extremely oppressive” which is objectively factual. They have a ‘supreme leader’ who legally controls the police, the military, the executive branch of govt and most facets of peoples lives. The ruling party is legally allowed to repress other parties, and so on… And so forth…
You’re totally right, they should join into the international bashing of the country that the USA bombed until 85% of THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF BUILDINGS IN THE COUNTRY were leveled, dropping more explosives than were used in the ENTIRE PACIFIC THEATER OF WW2. North Korea being completely leveled and bombed into the stone age and then economically sanctioned into oblivion (remember economic sanctions from USA and EU murder 560.000 people yearly since 1970) surely doesn’t affect them either does it?
No, let’s focus on the totally evil government of a country that has never invaded anyone and keep pushing them as the most evil thing on the planet with the Totally True™ Stories of intergenerational prisons, of government-sanctioned haircuts, and of big big totalitarianism and prison system (nevermind the US being the highest prison population country). Their government system may be weird and have some cult of personality, but nothing to do with the entire destruction of the country by the US and its later isolation from the global stage, right?
A country getting bombed into Rubble doesn’t justify it becoming a hereditary monarchy no matter how much whataboutism you toss around. Nor do the sins of other countries absolve the sins of the Kim family towards their own country.
You’re blaming the victim for the fact they have a dysfunctional state? Really?
It’s not about justification, it’s about the way history works. Germany, subjected to unaffordable reparations after WW1, turned to Nazism because such conditions breed right wing extremism. It was afterwards collectively decided not to repeat that mistake and Germany was allowed to flourish again. This is a well understood political phenomenon, and the damages to the DPRK done by the American government and military and posterior efforts in sanction had exactly the desired effect.
I agree with you on a great many things. Learning about Laos via meeting some locals in Riviera Beach (not the nice one you’re thinking of) and some wiki hole after seeing the Anthony Bourdain episode. I’m not going to argue that the US is some bastion of moral righteousness. But just any dictatorship is << than whatever the fuck we got going on. Ffs Kim just murdered his own uncle in broad daylight not a fucking year ago.
There are levels of fucked uppedness, and North Korea’s current regime is just south of the Khmer rouge.
Edit: love that there is someone supportive of murdering people with glasses in this! Go on, tell how reeducation through labor is a good thing!
By what metric? The USA is complicit in the genocide of >500k Palestinians over the past few years, what has North Korea done similar to that in the past 30?
Public execution for big one. Again homie, I’m not disagreeing with you that the US is fucked and has an outsized prison population(I did read your whole post and links). But North Korea is really fucked up. And it’s not all propaganda. But a closed society like that can easily manipulate numbers like the US is currently trying to do.
Why do you think trump likes Kim so much? They are the same, and they are not good people.
Edit: I love that I upset a few of you tankies. Keep the hate coming!
Ok, how many public executions have taken place in North Korea for the past 30 years? Give me metrics, please. Please, provide any qunagitative quantitative measures for the things you’re talking about. I’m a Spaniard and I could tell you about my democratic government literally dissolving the corpses of tortured and murdered political activists in chemicals so that there would be no evidence.
This argument started with me mentioning Kim murdering his uncle. So at least one. Which is, again, >>>than the US(who also suck btw). I’m really not trying to be combative with you homie. I don’t want this exchange to be adversarial, because I’ve seen your name around and again, I agree with you on a ton of shit. But dictatorships ain’t the hill to die on.
Ok. Jeffrey Epstein, got one from the USA.
I don’t want the exchange to be adversarial either, but I asked you for metrics, not for “one person was murdered in North Korea”. You are the one making the claim “North Korea is significantly worse than the USA” while the USA is supporting genocide and has already disappeared 75k civilians since the start of the Trump mandate through ICE.
Now give me the metrics that make North Korea that much worse.
Ok I’m going to cut this conversation short. You seem to be knee jerk reacting to my comments, and I have no want to continue this interaction.
I wish you all the best, and hope your day is fruitful.
And this concludes today’s class of Interacting With Tankie 101.
I see. Confronted with numerical evidence of the USA and being asked for numerical evidence on North Korea, the cognitive dissonance is so strong that you must leave the conversation. I’ve been polite but serious, btw, haven’t been particularly hostile
Yeah, like that ^
They use huge whataboutisms to excuse the extremely oppressive regime running the country currently, as though any criticism is unreasonable.
What’s the prison population in North Korea? Give me data on what metrics you’re using
Who said anything about ‘prison population?’
I said “extremely oppressive” which is objectively factual. They have a ‘supreme leader’ who legally controls the police, the military, the executive branch of govt and most facets of peoples lives. The ruling party is legally allowed to repress other parties, and so on… And so forth…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_North_Korea
Inb4 “Wikipedia is a CIA psyop”
They are clearly arguing in bad faith, I refuse to believe someone is this disconnected with reality. Good job on explaining stuff tho comrade.