Literally making this up. By the 1970s in the USSR, 1 in 10 positions in the economy were open, and people were completely free to change their jobs and move to others without having the threat of unemployment. The only restriction I’ve seen to that, is that university graduates, as a payment back to society (university, as of all education in the USSR, was free and actually included accommodation and upkeep), had to work for a few years on a state-mandated position in their field of study. I’m a Spaniard physicist and 9 in 10 of my friends are unhappy fucks who are either unemployed or hating their lives in consulting.
you will be paid not in money
Tell me one socialist state that hasn’t paid their workers in money. I can tell you that my girlfriend’s mom, in a capitalist country, once got paid in juice boxes because the company didn’t have money for her salary.
any excess you have will be confiscated
Again literally untrue. You’re mistaking capital (private property used to produce goods and services in order to extract surplus value from workers) with personal property (the things you use on your own for your own shit, like your house or your toothbrush).
Have you ever actually talked with a Marxist, or are you just going off what you heard on FOX news?
I must admit i don’t talk with Marxists nor do i know what is FOX news, and i do exaggerated my point, but lets not pretend Mao Zedong and North Korea didn’t exists, whatever you mentioned above is no way closer to far left. Socialism is practiced everywhere, but that doesn’t make them far left.
You’re mistaking capital (private property used to produce goods and services in order to extract surplus value from workers) with personal property (the things you use on your own for your own shit, like your house or your toothbrush).
The excess in your opinion is forbidding rich people from exploiting the poor. There were plenty of people making the same point against abolition of slavery in 200BCE that you’re making right now.
lets not pretend Mao Zedong and North Korea didn’t exist
Under Mao Zedong, China’s life expectancy went from 23 years of age to almost 60, more than doubling. Apply this to 1 billion Chinese, and you get that communism in China saved hundreds of millions of people. China in the early 1900s was a western colony much like India, and it had similar levels of industrialization and economical progress. Comparing the development of India and China since communism, the only possible conclusion is that communism uplifted a billion people from destitute poverty, gave them healthcare, education, pensions, jobs and housing. Mistakes were made during Mao? For sure they were. The balance is still overwhelmingly positive by any metric you want to apply.
As for North Korea, maybe if the USA hadn’t bombed the country using more explosives than in the entire Pacific theater of WW2, and destroyed literally 85% of the buildings in the entire country, North-Koreans wouldn’t have had such an extreme policy of international isolation and self-defense.
Mistakes were made during Mao? For sure they were. The balance is still overwhelmingly positive by any metric you want to apply.
The mistake is millions of death while Mao walks away without any repercussions.
North-Koreans wouldn’t have had such an extreme policy of international isolation and self-defense.
And maybe if nk didn’t self isolate for so long they would’ve recover. Just look at singapore. Did you know North Korea have an embassy in Malaysia? Did you know what happen next? They decided to assassinate Kim Jong Nam in Malaysia, then blame Malaysia for it, and cut all ties. NK might have been a victim of US, but their current situation is 100% their own doing.
Well that conclude my reason of not speaking with Marxist, you guys are nut lol.
The mistake is millions of death while Mao walks away without any repercussions
Let’s look at how many “millions of deaths by Mao” (1949-1979):
India’s life expectancy in 1950: 34 years of age
India’s life expectancy in 1979: 49 years of age
China’s life expectancy in 1950: 40 years of age
China’s life expectancy in 2010: 62 years of age
Whoops, turns out that China gained 22 years of life expectancy where India gained 15, that’s 50% more and applied to the entire population of a country with a billion people, results in hundreds of millions of lives saved! Turns out you were wrong again because your arguments don’t come from real data but from anticommunist discourse vibes.
Literally making this up. By the 1970s in the USSR, 1 in 10 positions in the economy were open, and people were completely free to change their jobs and move to others without having the threat of unemployment. The only restriction I’ve seen to that, is that university graduates, as a payment back to society (university, as of all education in the USSR, was free and actually included accommodation and upkeep), had to work for a few years on a state-mandated position in their field of study. I’m a Spaniard physicist and 9 in 10 of my friends are unhappy fucks who are either unemployed or hating their lives in consulting.
Tell me one socialist state that hasn’t paid their workers in money. I can tell you that my girlfriend’s mom, in a capitalist country, once got paid in juice boxes because the company didn’t have money for her salary.
Again literally untrue. You’re mistaking capital (private property used to produce goods and services in order to extract surplus value from workers) with personal property (the things you use on your own for your own shit, like your house or your toothbrush).
Have you ever actually talked with a Marxist, or are you just going off what you heard on FOX news?
I must admit i don’t talk with Marxists nor do i know what is FOX news, and i do exaggerated my point, but lets not pretend Mao Zedong and North Korea didn’t exists, whatever you mentioned above is no way closer to far left. Socialism is practiced everywhere, but that doesn’t make them far left.
Literally the excess i’m talking about.
You don’t know what Fox News is?
Should i?
The excess in your opinion is forbidding rich people from exploiting the poor. There were plenty of people making the same point against abolition of slavery in 200BCE that you’re making right now.
Under Mao Zedong, China’s life expectancy went from 23 years of age to almost 60, more than doubling. Apply this to 1 billion Chinese, and you get that communism in China saved hundreds of millions of people. China in the early 1900s was a western colony much like India, and it had similar levels of industrialization and economical progress. Comparing the development of India and China since communism, the only possible conclusion is that communism uplifted a billion people from destitute poverty, gave them healthcare, education, pensions, jobs and housing. Mistakes were made during Mao? For sure they were. The balance is still overwhelmingly positive by any metric you want to apply.
As for North Korea, maybe if the USA hadn’t bombed the country using more explosives than in the entire Pacific theater of WW2, and destroyed literally 85% of the buildings in the entire country, North-Koreans wouldn’t have had such an extreme policy of international isolation and self-defense.
The mistake is millions of death while Mao walks away without any repercussions.
And maybe if nk didn’t self isolate for so long they would’ve recover. Just look at singapore. Did you know North Korea have an embassy in Malaysia? Did you know what happen next? They decided to assassinate Kim Jong Nam in Malaysia, then blame Malaysia for it, and cut all ties. NK might have been a victim of US, but their current situation is 100% their own doing.
Well that conclude my reason of not speaking with Marxist, you guys are nut lol.
Let’s look at how many “millions of deaths by Mao” (1949-1979):
India’s life expectancy in 1950: 34 years of age
India’s life expectancy in 1979: 49 years of age
China’s life expectancy in 1950: 40 years of age
China’s life expectancy in 2010: 62 years of age
Whoops, turns out that China gained 22 years of life expectancy where India gained 15, that’s 50% more and applied to the entire population of a country with a billion people, results in hundreds of millions of lives saved! Turns out you were wrong again because your arguments don’t come from real data but from anticommunist discourse vibes.