Except for banning them in specific areas and raising taxes and insurance on them, sure, it’s not banning the sale of new (and used?) ICEs… just screwing over whomever wants/needs to keep them and would rather avoid contributing to a landfill.
Not to mention most new cars, regardless of drivetrain, are spyware computers on wheels with built-in obsolescence.
But that’s nothing new, Germany banned old diesels and very old petrol cars from cities long ago.
Edit to explain why I, a petrolhead, am not against that move: Good transit eliminates like 90% of the NEED for city driving. The other 10% can be handled by compliant cars, whether they be rentals or owned by the people/companies using them.
Can park them at the edge of the city and take a train or bus.
If they live in the city, they can just take a train or bus and don’t need to own a car if they can’t afford to.
There’s still lots of these cars for sale in Germany. The fact that they haven’t all been exported to countries without such restrictions already, means they’ve been used in the meantime, since the restrictions have been in place a long time and a car that sits for too long is going to have a LOT of issues.
You can rent a car or a van with minute and kilometer pricing from several different apps these days if no train or bus takes you where you need to go, or you need to move something that you can’t reasonably carry. If you need to get to the city first - well you can still drive your old car to the city limit. Or have an ebike to take to the nearest train station.
Plus any kinda 2035 ban, you have 10 years to plan for. There’s going to be electric cars that are not even built yet that will be pretty cheap by 2035.
It works fine IF polluting vehicles are banned from cities only. If they become illegal altogether, then all the rural folks will be fucked unless they can afford a newer car.
@boonhet@0x0 they’ve got ten years from now in which they just need to remember not to buy a non-compliant one. The number of people still driving the same car they have now in ten years is small, surely.
You arent typing this on the internet, you are typing this on a machine/device CONNECTED TO the internet. A device that is routing your info and data threw an IP adress and if its a mobile device also probably has a GPS function. If its a mobile phone, even if it doesnt have internet telecomunication it can be tracked. Smart cars are also connectable to the internet and have build in GPS. Anything connected to the internet or satelite can be tracked and traced! Its not a question of if but of how and cost effort worth
Its not a question of if but of how and cost effort worth
Should be a question of why, really.
New smartphones ones are surveillance and built-in obsolescence, i’d rather avoid them and… can… to an extent.
New cars are surveillance and built-in obsolescence on wheels, i’d rather avoid them and i can.
Weather it should, can be asked about everything. Its possible and the your claim was that threw the car they can track you, but since that is already possible without the car, this isnt an issue if its only an issue for you only for that car but for nothing else
Why would i sell a perfectly functioning car?
And if selling new cars (which tend to have more efficient engines) is banned, what’s preventing selling of old ones?
To buy one that doesn’t fall afoul of regional emission restrictions, e.g. the ULEZ in london
what’s preventing selling of old ones?
Nothing, eventually they will find their way off the road through accumulated wear/damage. perhaps further down the road due to lack of access to fuel sources.
To buy one that doesn’t fall afoul of regional emission restrictions, e.g. the ULEZ in london
That’s cute but in my neck of the woods used cars are severely underpriced (unless you buy all the parts from a scrapyard, then they’d cost quite a lot) and new cars are generally overpriced anyway,
Its banning production and sales of new fossile fule cars. Not banning the cars themself
Except for banning them in specific areas and raising taxes and insurance on them, sure, it’s not banning the sale of new (and used?) ICEs… just screwing over whomever wants/needs to keep them and would rather avoid contributing to a landfill.
Not to mention most new cars, regardless of drivetrain, are spyware computers on wheels with built-in obsolescence.
But that’s nothing new, Germany banned old diesels and very old petrol cars from cities long ago.
Edit to explain why I, a petrolhead, am not against that move: Good transit eliminates like 90% of the NEED for city driving. The other 10% can be handled by compliant cars, whether they be rentals or owned by the people/companies using them.
And the people who had those cars?
I don’t get the “it’s nothing new so it’s ok” argument though.
Can park them at the edge of the city and take a train or bus.
If they live in the city, they can just take a train or bus and don’t need to own a car if they can’t afford to.
There’s still lots of these cars for sale in Germany. The fact that they haven’t all been exported to countries without such restrictions already, means they’ve been used in the meantime, since the restrictions have been in place a long time and a car that sits for too long is going to have a LOT of issues.
If they don’t need a car that may make sense.
You can rent a car or a van with minute and kilometer pricing from several different apps these days if no train or bus takes you where you need to go, or you need to move something that you can’t reasonably carry. If you need to get to the city first - well you can still drive your old car to the city limit. Or have an ebike to take to the nearest train station.
Plus any kinda 2035 ban, you have 10 years to plan for. There’s going to be electric cars that are not even built yet that will be pretty cheap by 2035.
It works fine IF polluting vehicles are banned from cities only. If they become illegal altogether, then all the rural folks will be fucked unless they can afford a newer car.
@boonhet @0x0 they’ve got ten years from now in which they just need to remember not to buy a non-compliant one. The number of people still driving the same car they have now in ten years is small, surely.
Are you for us using fossile fule instead?
Also if you are scared of spyware…why are you on the internet my guy?
No, just against blind EV adoption and zealotry.
The internet is a network, cars are vehicles. Try harder. Or don’t.
What about it its zealotry
You arent typing this on the internet, you are typing this on a machine/device CONNECTED TO the internet. A device that is routing your info and data threw an IP adress and if its a mobile device also probably has a GPS function. If its a mobile phone, even if it doesnt have internet telecomunication it can be tracked. Smart cars are also connectable to the internet and have build in GPS. Anything connected to the internet or satelite can be tracked and traced! Its not a question of if but of how and cost effort worth
Should be a question of why, really.
New smartphones ones are surveillance and built-in obsolescence, i’d rather avoid them and… can… to an extent.
New cars are surveillance and built-in obsolescence on wheels, i’d rather avoid them and i can.
Weather it should, can be asked about everything. Its possible and the your claim was that threw the car they can track you, but since that is already possible without the car, this isnt an issue if its only an issue for you only for that car but for nothing else
You don’t have to send your car to landfill if it still works. you can always sell it
Why would i sell a perfectly functioning car?
And if selling new cars (which tend to have more efficient engines) is banned, what’s preventing selling of old ones?
To buy one that doesn’t fall afoul of regional emission restrictions, e.g. the ULEZ in london
Nothing, eventually they will find their way off the road through accumulated wear/damage. perhaps further down the road due to lack of access to fuel sources.
That’s cute but in my neck of the woods used cars are severely underpriced (unless you buy all the parts from a scrapyard, then they’d cost quite a lot) and new cars are generally overpriced anyway,