vegan, crossfitter, linux user and rapsberry pi owner walked into the bar, ordered a beer and minded their own business, but dave mortis really had a need to tell us about it.
You know, I’ve never met someone who actively tried to recruit me to veganism, but I’ve seen a lot of people spam vegans with meat pictures in an attempt to “Convert” them.
If you want I can try to put half a minute into an attempt so you can check the box. I can throw in a pitch for flattening eastern germany (bavaria to Mecklenburg-Vorpommern) for good measure, if you like.
The fun thing about anecdotes is that they aren’t in any way indicative of the wider world.
Out of all the vegans and vegetarians I’ve met in my life, I think at best maybe 1/4 didn’t spend a protracted amount of time extolling the virtues of their lifestyle. Maybe you don’t consider that an attempt to convert, but a lot of people do. Either way it was annoying.
Conversely, I’ve only ever seen two “omnivores” try to convert someone who wasn’t, and it was a one off joke among friends.
My entire point is that I see these sorts of “well I’ve never encountered a proselytizing [insert group here] person, so that means these stereotypes are just mean and based on nothing!” but all it takes is one person to say “Well I have”.
Beyond that, my anecdotes are as valid as theirs. Which is to say not worth much at all.
Likewise, anyone saying something about “omnivores”/“carnivores” etc can only go off of who opened their mouths to them.
Again, my point is just as valid as the person saying they’ve encountered many more non-vegetarians trying to convert people. They don’t know how many, who did not bother to share their thoughts with them, they met. By your own words.
If you think it’s bullshit, well you said it, not me. I’m not arguing against that. I’m saying that the comment I first replied to is bullshit too, if that’s what you want to call it.
I’m not making any judgement on vegetarianism, veganism, or anybody’s dietary requirements or choices.
I’m saying that the entirety of “well I’ve never seen it”, “well I have!” is fruitless clashing of anecdotes. It’s slightly more wordy “nuh-uh!” “yeah-huh!” except people get reinforcement on whatever they already believed.
And I find it hilarious and somewhat unbelievable that anyone over the age of 21 hasn’t met a single vegan that tried to convert people, not even one, but has met multiple non-vegans spamming pictures of meat at vegans to… try and convert them. Are you kidding me? Who the fuck does something like that, it reads like an “and then everybody clapped” story. How the fuck did that get so many upvotes?
again - no, it is not. you don’t even understand the point.
anecdotal evidence is not very rigorous proof (though i assume there is not much formal research done in this area), but that is not the point.
see, while person claiming he never met a vegetarian doing that can indeed confirm the fact, you have no way of confirming majority of vegetarians you met were doing that. because you have no way of counting the vegetarians you met not doing that.
so while the other person can confirm the low number, you have no way to confirm your perceived high one. your argument fails to work even in the framework of the anecdotal evidences.
but has met multiple non-vegans spamming pictures of meat at vegans to… try and convert them. Are you kidding me? Who the fuck does something like that
lot of meat eaters. it is just that you do it so habitually you don’t even realize you are doing that. you will just come to an image of a cow saying “hey, my steak is coming” thinking you are funny.
here you have few of them, who just felt the need to share their steak or stupid joke without being asked:
vegans share their thoughts when it becomes topic of the conversation - it is really the meat eaters who will shout out of the blue “uh uh, mah steak!”, because they feel everyone needs to hear it.
it is similar to when people say “you know, i don’t mind gays, but do they really have to shove it to everyone’s face on their pride parades?” without realizing that the fucking carneval in rio is exactly that - a straight pride parade - you just don’t realize it, because it is “normal” to you".
Here it is. I was wondering why you were so fucking adamant about this.
It’s because you think that someone sharing an image of a meal they enjoyed (or they think looks good) is somehow an attempt to convert people or some form of evangelizing. Holy shit that is a toxic as fuck take, and I can’t engage with it in good faith.
I don’t look at an image of someone’s salad, bean burrito, veggie stir fry, tofu dish, etc and think that’s someone trying to make me vegetarian or vegan. That’s fucking unhinged. It’s just somebody trying to share something they enjoyed. If it’s not my jam it’s not my jam. I’m not going to be offended by it unless it’s a friend who’s been told repeatedly it’s not my thing and they’re still sending it directly to me (group chats don’t count).
If we weren’t this deep into the comment thread I would legitimately think you were shitposting.
Congrats, you win I guess. Your frustration with meat eaters is 100% justified, and you’ve scientifically proven that no vegetarians or vegans have ever once been annoying evangelists to the people around them, despite all evidence to the contrary. I especially liked how you compared meat eaters sharing pictures of their meat based meals to people wanting to supress LGBT representation. That’s such an amazing masterstroke of logic and philosophy that it’s changed my entire worldview!
vegan, crossfitter, linux user and rapsberry pi owner walked into the bar, ordered a beer and minded their own business, but dave mortis really had a need to tell us about it.
You know, I’ve never met someone who actively tried to recruit me to veganism, but I’ve seen a lot of people spam vegans with meat pictures in an attempt to “Convert” them.
If you want I can try to put half a minute into an attempt so you can check the box. I can throw in a pitch for flattening eastern germany (bavaria to Mecklenburg-Vorpommern) for good measure, if you like.
The fun thing about anecdotes is that they aren’t in any way indicative of the wider world.
Out of all the vegans and vegetarians I’ve met in my life, I think at best maybe 1/4 didn’t spend a protracted amount of time extolling the virtues of their lifestyle. Maybe you don’t consider that an attempt to convert, but a lot of people do. Either way it was annoying.
Conversely, I’ve only ever seen two “omnivores” try to convert someone who wasn’t, and it was a one off joke among friends.
My entire point is that I see these sorts of “well I’ve never encountered a proselytizing [insert group here] person, so that means these stereotypes are just mean and based on nothing!” but all it takes is one person to say “Well I have”.
Beyond that, my anecdotes are as valid as theirs. Which is to say not worth much at all.
your entire point is bullshit. you have no idea how many vegetarians, who did not bother to share their thoughts with you, you met.
Likewise, anyone saying something about “omnivores”/“carnivores” etc can only go off of who opened their mouths to them.
Again, my point is just as valid as the person saying they’ve encountered many more non-vegetarians trying to convert people. They don’t know how many, who did not bother to share their thoughts with them, they met. By your own words.
If you think it’s bullshit, well you said it, not me. I’m not arguing against that. I’m saying that the comment I first replied to is bullshit too, if that’s what you want to call it.
I’m not making any judgement on vegetarianism, veganism, or anybody’s dietary requirements or choices.
I’m saying that the entirety of “well I’ve never seen it”, “well I have!” is fruitless clashing of anecdotes. It’s slightly more wordy “nuh-uh!” “yeah-huh!” except people get reinforcement on whatever they already believed.
And I find it hilarious and somewhat unbelievable that anyone over the age of 21 hasn’t met a single vegan that tried to convert people, not even one, but has met multiple non-vegans spamming pictures of meat at vegans to… try and convert them. Are you kidding me? Who the fuck does something like that, it reads like an “and then everybody clapped” story. How the fuck did that get so many upvotes?
again - no, it is not. you don’t even understand the point.
anecdotal evidence is not very rigorous proof (though i assume there is not much formal research done in this area), but that is not the point.
see, while person claiming he never met a vegetarian doing that can indeed confirm the fact, you have no way of confirming majority of vegetarians you met were doing that. because you have no way of counting the vegetarians you met not doing that.
so while the other person can confirm the low number, you have no way to confirm your perceived high one. your argument fails to work even in the framework of the anecdotal evidences.
lot of meat eaters. it is just that you do it so habitually you don’t even realize you are doing that. you will just come to an image of a cow saying “hey, my steak is coming” thinking you are funny.
here you have few of them, who just felt the need to share their steak or stupid joke without being asked:
vegans share their thoughts when it becomes topic of the conversation - it is really the meat eaters who will shout out of the blue “uh uh, mah steak!”, because they feel everyone needs to hear it.
it is similar to when people say “you know, i don’t mind gays, but do they really have to shove it to everyone’s face on their pride parades?” without realizing that the fucking carneval in rio is exactly that - a straight pride parade - you just don’t realize it, because it is “normal” to you".
Here it is. I was wondering why you were so fucking adamant about this.
It’s because you think that someone sharing an image of a meal they enjoyed (or they think looks good) is somehow an attempt to convert people or some form of evangelizing. Holy shit that is a toxic as fuck take, and I can’t engage with it in good faith.
I don’t look at an image of someone’s salad, bean burrito, veggie stir fry, tofu dish, etc and think that’s someone trying to make me vegetarian or vegan. That’s fucking unhinged. It’s just somebody trying to share something they enjoyed. If it’s not my jam it’s not my jam. I’m not going to be offended by it unless it’s a friend who’s been told repeatedly it’s not my thing and they’re still sending it directly to me (group chats don’t count).
If we weren’t this deep into the comment thread I would legitimately think you were shitposting.
Congrats, you win I guess. Your frustration with meat eaters is 100% justified, and you’ve scientifically proven that no vegetarians or vegans have ever once been annoying evangelists to the people around them, despite all evidence to the contrary. I especially liked how you compared meat eaters sharing pictures of their meat based meals to people wanting to supress LGBT representation. That’s such an amazing masterstroke of logic and philosophy that it’s changed my entire worldview!