The sufragette movement pressured the government (men) to give women the right to vote. In what universe is this not an accurate description of what happened?
Yes, this is essentially the sense in which I mean “give.” You got it. This is unironically why the OP image is ragebait – “give” is literally what happened. I don’t know of anyone who would deny the suffragettes and their agitation are the reason women were given the right to vote.
Again: the agitation of the suffragettes might be the reason that men voted for 19A, but without men voting to introduce and ratify 19A, no amount of agitation would have been sufficient. Outright terrorism wouldn’t have worked, without men choosing to vote for 19A. The only other way women would have gotten the right to vote was by using sufficient levels of violence to overthrow the state governments.
That’s the fundamental reason that minority groups–non-white people, LGBTQ+ people, etc.–NEED allies. Unless the majority is willing to vote to give full rights to minorities, unless there’s a sea-change in public opinion, you simply don’t see minorities being given rights equal to the majority.
They convinced the men (who the majority of legislators were) in the same way that the gay community convinced the ‘straights’ (who the majority of legislators were) re same-sex marriage.
That said, it’s very reductionist to consider the 19th amendment as the moment ‘all women’ joined ‘all men’ in having the right to vote. Many women were voting before the 19th (women already had full voting rights in 15 states by the time it was ratified), and many men weren’t before, and still weren’t for long after, the 19th was ratified.
The sufragette movement pressured the government (men) to give women the right to vote. In what universe is this not an accurate description of what happened?
Office, I didn’t take anything. I simply showed the man my revolver and he helpfully opened his wallet and gave me everything inside
Yes, this is essentially the sense in which I mean “give.” You got it. This is unironically why the OP image is ragebait – “give” is literally what happened. I don’t know of anyone who would deny the suffragettes and their agitation are the reason women were given the right to vote.
Again: the agitation of the suffragettes might be the reason that men voted for 19A, but without men voting to introduce and ratify 19A, no amount of agitation would have been sufficient. Outright terrorism wouldn’t have worked, without men choosing to vote for 19A. The only other way women would have gotten the right to vote was by using sufficient levels of violence to overthrow the state governments.
That’s the fundamental reason that minority groups–non-white people, LGBTQ+ people, etc.–NEED allies. Unless the majority is willing to vote to give full rights to minorities, unless there’s a sea-change in public opinion, you simply don’t see minorities being given rights equal to the majority.
They convinced the men (who the majority of legislators were) in the same way that the gay community convinced the ‘straights’ (who the majority of legislators were) re same-sex marriage.
That said, it’s very reductionist to consider the 19th amendment as the moment ‘all women’ joined ‘all men’ in having the right to vote. Many women were voting before the 19th (women already had full voting rights in 15 states by the time it was ratified), and many men weren’t before, and still weren’t for long after, the 19th was ratified.
Yes, I agree with all of this. It happened very much like the way the straights were convinced.