• TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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    22 hours ago

    Lol, claiming that Russia is oriental is pretty wild. That is just about as accurate as saying America is Indian.

    Russia is a western nation that brutally colonized its eastern territory. This doesnt make them Asian, just like European colonization of America doesnt make it native American.

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      11 hours ago

      There’s actually a long history of Russia being orientalized due to orthodox christianity. Their culture is othered and generalized through this lense. Do look into it, it is an interesting subject if you like that sort of thing.

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        orientalized due to orthodox christianity.

        Russian orthodox christianity is separate from oriental orthodoxy practiced in places like Syria or Armenia, who follow nicene Christian traditions. They may be othered by their western European counterparts, but eastern orthodoxy is fairly normal in places like Greece. I don’t think it would be appropriate to label them as oriental, especially in the modern understanding of the word.

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      21 hours ago

      Oh boy, you’re gonna be pissed when you find out the continent Russia is located in…

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            Russia,[b] or the Russian Federation,[c] is a country in Eastern Europe and North Asia. It is the largest country in the world, spanning eleven time zones and sharing land borders with fourteen countries.[d] With a population of over 140 million, Russia is the most populous country in Europe and the ninth-most populous country in the world.

            How can you be so confident, and yet so wrong about everything?

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            The term oriental is often used to describe objects and (in a derogative manner) people coming from the Orient/eastern Asia.

            The term Oriental may sound dated or even be seen as a pejorative, particularly when used as a noun.[20] John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic criticism of the term began in the U.S. during a cultural shift in the 1970s. He has said: “With the U.S.A. anti-war movement in the '60s and early '70s, many Asian Americans identified the term ‘Oriental’ with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite ‘others’”,[21] by making a distinction between “Western” and “Eastern” ancestral origins.

            Saying something is from the orient means its from Asia… Calling a person or a group of people like an army oriental is saying they are Asian.

            Read your own source… Or just use common sense?

            When have you ever heard of a European living in Europe being referred to as oriental?

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                20 hours ago

                And in Europe… It’s a transcontinental country. However, its asian territories are a product of European colonialism.

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                    18 hours ago

                    Oriental = Asian to you I guess.

                    This you…?

                    My dude… Youve had soo many wild takes on this subject you should just stop.

                    Lol, I see you deleted the one where you claimed none of Russia was in Europe. Embarrassing.

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            20 hours ago

            Americans really not beating the illiteracy allegations 🤣

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            20 hours ago

            Oriental = Asian to you I guess.

            Americans really not beating those illiteracy allegations.

            Lol…I would have deleted that too…

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                19 hours ago

                Lol, I am Asian… I know what oriental means. If you would read your own source, you would know what oriental means as well.

                From your fuckiing source…

                The adjectival term Oriental has been used by the West to mean cultures, peoples, countries, Asian rugs, and goods from the Orient. “Oriental” means generally “eastern”. It is a traditional designation (especially when capitalized) for anything belonging to the Orient or “East” (for Asia), and especially of its Eastern culture. It indicated the eastern direction in historical astronomy, often abbreviated “Ori”.[8] In contemporary American English, Oriental usually refers to things from the parts of East Asia traditionally occupied by East Asians and most Central Asians and Southeast Asians racially categorized as “Mongoloid”. This excludes Jews, Indians, Arabs, and most other South or West Asian peoples. Because of historical discrimination against Chinese, Korean and Japanese, in some parts of the United States, some people consider the term derogatory. For example, Washington State prohibits the word “Oriental” in legislation and government documents and prefers the word “Asian” instead.[9]