Populism. He convinced everyone he was a billionaire outsider not beholden to anyone. The whole thing started from a fake rally to help him gain ratings for The Apprentice.
But like, his credibility is (and always was) total shit. How can there be 75 million people that gullible? To me, it couldn’t have been more obvious he was lying if his pants had literally been on fire.
They believe he will hurt the right people (to them); marginalized people.
This is incorrect.
People backed Donald in 2016 because, at that time, they’d had enough of the disappointment and impoverishment brought to them by Obama’s politics and the promise that those politics would continue under Clinton. It was the same under Biden/Harris, where consumers watched their basic needs double and triple in cost and their response was ‘just be joyful about it’.
Donald, in both cases, was the change candidate, and the majority wanted change more than anything else.
There is a smaller contingent that, yes, did back him because of his hateful energy, but not the majority. The majority just want to be able to pay their bills without having to work 100 hours a week.
Nah to any of this. His rhetoric was clear. Birthirism, build a wall, eat the dogs, sending their rapists, black jobs.
Especially for his second term, not a soul could possibly believe he would bring about positive change economically.
Its also extremely dumb for the next to nobody who voted for him for not bigotry to think choosing the worse option would somehow make things better as opposed to participating in primaries more.
Especially for his second term, not a soul could possibly believe he would bring about positive change economically.
Yes they can, just as so many believed Harris would win because their algorithm provided them a reality where that was a certainty.
Its also extremely dumb
What’s dumb is to expect people to vote Democrat when the cost of living rose so sharply under Biden and his handpicked successor said publicly she wouldn’t do anything to change it.
Remember when he sat by and did nothing while Occupy was brutalized by the NYPD, and rewarded the banks when they crashed the economy? How many people did his DOJ send to prison for deliberately crashing the economy?
Yes. It was shortsighted and naive of them, but while there are some people who voted for mass deportations because they hate immigrants, far more people voted for mass deportations because he told them that they are the reason for the affordability crisis.
They were lied to, yes. And I see the correlation you’re making. I don’t think you’re super off-base, but I also don’t think you’re quite right.
The thing is, Trump in particular and the GOP in general are both lying about the problem. They’re saying that the problem with people’s bank accounts being empty is that the “illegals” are “taking stuff” (jobs, aid, low-cost housing) that “real americans deserve.” They then proceed to follow up on the attack against what they (maliciously) claimed the problem was.
On the other hand, Democrats are by-and-large truthful (or simply silent) about the causes of the affordability crisis. They then are stymied by a terrorist majority-GOP congress (or minority GOP wielding the filibuster) into inaction, or make token bipartisan progress without addressing the root of the issue. Then, as re-election rolls around, they spin the tiny gains they’ve made as bigger than they actually are.
We saw this in the Harris campaign. Her plans were almost entirely about encouraging and supporting small businesses–which is, indeed, a valid way to push down prices, and likely to pass muster with Republicans! But it’s not nearly enough, and voters recognized that (and, in fairness, they were also lied to about the fact that she had a plan at all by the conservative media).
In short, I think that while the GOP lies, the Democrats are just lazy. They think it’s still 1998, and they can just figure it all out over drinks if given the chance.
I’m not sure if that really makes it better. But I do think it’s different.
…Democrats are by-and-large truthful (or simply silent) about the causes of the affordability crisis.
Wut? the same Democrats that came out and said “The economy is good akshually, you just don’t understand”.
Yes, it was dumb to think that the Republicans were going to fix the economy, but lets stop pretending that the Democrats ever had any intention of fixing it.
In short, I think that while the GOP lies, the Democrats are just lazy.
The Democrats act lazy, but in reality, they want the same thing that the GOP wants: Their donors to be happy. They only pretend to fight, until they can get the votes to keep their seats.
Buddy, we got to this point thanks to fence sitters making excuses for the people pulling their fence to the right. Don’t be that guy. Democrats might be useless, but Republicans are fuckiing evil, and there’s no both sides to the shit they’ve done since the fence sitters handed them power.
It’s been 9 years since he started politics and I never understood why anyone ever backed him.
Populism. He convinced everyone he was a billionaire outsider not beholden to anyone. The whole thing started from a fake rally to help him gain ratings for The Apprentice.
But like, his credibility is (and always was) total shit. How can there be 75 million people that gullible? To me, it couldn’t have been more obvious he was lying if his pants had literally been on fire.
He matches their hateful energy.
They believe he will hurt the right people (to them); marginalized people.
They are largely happy that he is, and many are completely willing to accept massive sacrifice to get this.
This is incorrect.
People backed Donald in 2016 because, at that time, they’d had enough of the disappointment and impoverishment brought to them by Obama’s politics and the promise that those politics would continue under Clinton. It was the same under Biden/Harris, where consumers watched their basic needs double and triple in cost and their response was ‘just be joyful about it’.
Donald, in both cases, was the change candidate, and the majority wanted change more than anything else.
There is a smaller contingent that, yes, did back him because of his hateful energy, but not the majority. The majority just want to be able to pay their bills without having to work 100 hours a week.
Nah to any of this. His rhetoric was clear. Birthirism, build a wall, eat the dogs, sending their rapists, black jobs.
Especially for his second term, not a soul could possibly believe he would bring about positive change economically.
Its also extremely dumb for the next to nobody who voted for him for not bigotry to think choosing the worse option would somehow make things better as opposed to participating in primaries more.
Yes they can, just as so many believed Harris would win because their algorithm provided them a reality where that was a certainty.
What’s dumb is to expect people to vote Democrat when the cost of living rose so sharply under Biden and his handpicked successor said publicly she wouldn’t do anything to change it.
Impoverishment under Obama…how did that work out?
Not well.
Remember when he sat by and did nothing while Occupy was brutalized by the NYPD, and rewarded the banks when they crashed the economy? How many people did his DOJ send to prison for deliberately crashing the economy?
Yes. It was shortsighted and naive of them, but while there are some people who voted for mass deportations because they hate immigrants, far more people voted for mass deportations because he told them that they are the reason for the affordability crisis.
True, and they were lied to.
Not unlike when Democrats promised change in 2020 and then ignored the rising affordability crisis.
The point is the switch to Donald was economically-motivated in both cases.
They were lied to, yes. And I see the correlation you’re making. I don’t think you’re super off-base, but I also don’t think you’re quite right.
The thing is, Trump in particular and the GOP in general are both lying about the problem. They’re saying that the problem with people’s bank accounts being empty is that the “illegals” are “taking stuff” (jobs, aid, low-cost housing) that “real americans deserve.” They then proceed to follow up on the attack against what they (maliciously) claimed the problem was.
On the other hand, Democrats are by-and-large truthful (or simply silent) about the causes of the affordability crisis. They then are stymied by a terrorist majority-GOP congress (or minority GOP wielding the filibuster) into inaction, or make token bipartisan progress without addressing the root of the issue. Then, as re-election rolls around, they spin the tiny gains they’ve made as bigger than they actually are.
We saw this in the Harris campaign. Her plans were almost entirely about encouraging and supporting small businesses–which is, indeed, a valid way to push down prices, and likely to pass muster with Republicans! But it’s not nearly enough, and voters recognized that (and, in fairness, they were also lied to about the fact that she had a plan at all by the conservative media).
In short, I think that while the GOP lies, the Democrats are just lazy. They think it’s still 1998, and they can just figure it all out over drinks if given the chance.
I’m not sure if that really makes it better. But I do think it’s different.
Wut? the same Democrats that came out and said “The economy is good akshually, you just don’t understand”.
Yes, it was dumb to think that the Republicans were going to fix the economy, but lets stop pretending that the Democrats ever had any intention of fixing it.
The Democrats act lazy, but in reality, they want the same thing that the GOP wants: Their donors to be happy. They only pretend to fight, until they can get the votes to keep their seats.
it was very much UNLIKE that actually, he lies like a shark swims.
Both parties do.
That’s how we got to this point.
Buddy, we got to this point thanks to fence sitters making excuses for the people pulling their fence to the right. Don’t be that guy. Democrats might be useless, but Republicans are fuckiing evil, and there’s no both sides to the shit they’ve done since the fence sitters handed them power.
They’re not useless. They’re collaborators.
Democrats also ignored the immigration problem for far too long. Not even a policy on max numbers per year.
To say they ignored it is untrue.
They put kids in cages and deported millions too. They just didn’t unleash the Gestapo and kidnap and torture legal immigrants as Donald is doing.
Yep. Anyone not believing you needs to watch Mamdami interview NYC Trump voters.