• PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au
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    3 days ago

    Part of what they talked about was how essential it was to have good education, good communication, and a vigorous free press. Just having people vote doesn’t do shit. Even back then, they understood that. The people have to know what they’re doing. Things like Trump and the poorly educated who vote for him in large numbers were a known failure mode of democratic systems, even back then. They actually tried to design in features to make sure that only “educated” “responsible” people could vote as a check against it, although, that had its own problems.

    They also were somewhat terrified of political parties and the opportunities for corruption and self-interest they created. A lot of the sadness of the system they set up is that it tended to collapse into a binary system with each “team” operated by a party, because good modern voting technology was something they were not yet aware of. Sadly. Read George Washington’s writing on political parties sometime, it seems incredibly prescient if you look at the rot of the late 20th century that set the stage for Trump.

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      I wouldn’t call them features designed to have “educated” or “responsible” or responsible people vote.

      It was a system designed to allow male land owners to have all the say. To keep the wealthy in charge. In many states it was limited to wealthy white land owners.

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        3 days ago

        Yeah, pretty much.

        “Laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

        (Barbarous ancestors meaning Jefferson and his friends)