• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    Every system ends up becoming the same thing if you fill the top leadership with psychopaths who want to rule the world

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      And if your system is a hierarchy of power, it’s a guarantee that in time the top of it will be filled with psychopaths.

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      "Maybe the solution to a less-shitty world is accountability to the people whose lives we are affecting?

      No, no, me and my friends will be totally different, as long as we get absolute power to reshape society in our image! Nothing will go wrong this time!"

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        Humans: … Great idea! … Let’s find the most deplorable, selfish, psycotic, ignorant and greedy people we can find to run this new system … what could go wrong!

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    Let’s be clear here, Marx did say true communism can only emerge after capitalism has had its full run. That would setup all the necessary production processes that could then be seized and made to work for the people.

    A lot can be said about Winnie and his friends, but they arguably got Marx a whole lot better than the MLs

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      But a large part of the argument made by Marx involves the existence of a bourgeois revolution to bring bourgeois democracy, which then brings about the conditions necessary for a proletarian revolution, both in the creation of a strong proletariat (by the development of capitalism) and the development of class consciousness (by the contradictions inherent in bourgeois democracy and the activity of the proletariat themselves within it).

      I would argue that the entire “Capitalist dictatorship trying to develop capital but painted red” doesn’t ‘get’ Marx any more than “Anti-capitalist dictatorship trying to develop capital.” You can argue that the capitalist dictatorship is ‘closer’ to the development outlined by Marx, but by a Marxist analysis, what they’re doing is setting up the conditions for a bourgeois revolution.

      And quite clearly, the current PRC is not interested in assisting a bourgeois revolution in overthrowing them. Few governments are interested in their own destruction.

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    My ‘favorite’ is when people who are Very Definitely Not MLs (or worse, professedly anarchists) who aggressively slobber on the PRC’s boots and celebrate things like USAID being ended and hundreds of thousands of people dying because of it, because “USA bad, China good!”

    Don’t worry, BAD CAMP brings only “tarrifs, sanctions, neocolonialism, and demands” while GOOD CAMP brings “investment, stability, and economic opportunity”

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      Every self professed anarchist I’ve come across on Lemmy has said things or expressed ideas that oppose anarchism. Cringe every time. I imagine they have pictures of V and Joker—definitely not anarchists—on their basement wall.

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      Unless you’re in the Uyghur concentration camp… But they’re not allowed to talk about that

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        It’s Not That Bad, they’re terrorists, the LIBERALS are just fearmongering, it’s all Sinophobia, and anyway whatabout when the USA etc etc etc

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    I feel like they need a “Chinese Trump” to open some eyes, kinda like it has for the US (and those that worshiped the US). Like, some head of state to succeed Xi that’s really sloppy and loud.

    For all that has happened in US, the past decade has changed some very conservative family of mine… not all of them, but some.

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      I feel like they need a “Chinese Trump” to open some eyes, kinda like it has for the US. Like, some head of state that’s really sloppy and loud.

      If it happens, they’ll react just like Trump supporters do here.

      None of it matters. Oftentimes, they admire the stupidity.