it’s fucking wild to see people in the imperial core (as The Lorax here has in their bio) criticize China for not standing up enough against the empire. that’s literally our job in the imperial core!
China is not part of the Western block, what we call the imperial core. The Imperial core is led by the US, followed by Western Europe (especially France, Germany and the UK), and then some specific states like Israel, Japan, Canada and Australia. They are a block because they follow the same economic policies, they have the same ideological vision on the rest of the world, they are in the same military alliances, they usually back each others policies etc.
China does not partake in US foreign policy or the whole set of imperial core policies. US can support Ukraine against Russia but China won’t follow the US just because it said so. China won’t stop trading with Iran even if the US and Europe decided Iran should be a pariah country. China did not back the US against Iraq and Afghanistan, like the UK, Germany and France did. China won’t back the IMF in strangling under developed countries, it will instead alternative forms of funding that won’t go through the West backed institutions. China backs Cuba even though it avoids putting themselves under sanctions.
That said, there’s plenty of criticisms to be done about China, like it acted as a US partner for a short period during the Sino-Soviet split. China invaded Vietnam in one of the worst foreign policy decisions in the last century just to appease the US. China sees no problem in trading with Israel, even though it maintains a pro-palestine rhetoric. China sees no problem in trading commodities with Latin American countries, even if this trade makes many right wing reactionary capitalist strata richer in these countries. China has shown multiple times if it has to choose between a pragmatic position in support for its own national interests it will choose so, even if it harms international proletarian solidarity.
There are many different Marxist positions on China, so it’s not like they all support it acritically. There are Marxists that treat China as just another capitalist superpower; and there are many others who see China as an advanced position regarding socialism, but with many critical positions in different specific points, with many different degrees of criticsm.
What we are different from many Westerners, or the liberal Western left, is that we don’t consume histerical anti-China propaganda acritically. We don’t see China as devil or savior, we try to see it for what it is. And today, liking China or not, China is the main force challenging Western imperialism, so if any country or political organization is serious on fighting imperialism, it needs to have a serious position on China, because of its crucial position in the geopolitics have influence in whatever action it may take.
China has veto rights at the UNSC which literally is the imperial core at this point. They aren’t a poor little baby toddler who accidentally supported genocide and colonizaztion.
The universe where the UN Charter has binding force on the U.S.
And the universe we actually live in.
It is time to drop that fantasy that the UN or the international law has any power over the US or Europe imperialist bloodlust. The turd Marco Rubio perfectly summarized what the US thinks of the UN: "“I don’t care what the UN says”.
In summary, the U.S. does not obey international law.
I know what it is and that’s why I am telling you that you are believing in this fantasy that the international law has any binding effect over the US.
What you are currently doing is desperately diluting the blame from the imperialists and to remove the focus on the real aggressors(Europe and the US).
Do yourself a favor and read the resolution which China just passed before pulling out random stuff about Haiti, this is getting emberassing.
What you are currently doing is desperately diluting the blame from the imperialists and to remove the focus on the real aggressors (every member of UNSC including China and Russia)
Haiti is not some “random stuff” that you can dismiss. It literally is a case example why putting your faith in the UN and UNSC is idealism and delusion at this point. Even with the UNSC, they never stopped this but actually made the situation a lot worse:
It amazes me how people can still believe in the UN after all of these years of failure to stop the genocide in Palestine, to stop the bleeding of Haiti, to stop the deadly blockade on Cuba or to stop any of the US war crimes in the Caribbean. It is bizarre.
I don’t think they’re trolling, and I don’t doubt they’re better read than myself; I do think I’ve had (brief, but that’s my fault) encounters with material here on the Troika that would benefit them reading, if they could bother/ find the time.
Holy shit i remember many OP posts from .ml as somewhat centrist but not that bad for a westolefto but then they went fully Zenz crusade level over an UN resolution of all things.
it’s fucking wild to see people in the imperial core (as The Lorax here has in their bio) criticize China for not standing up enough against the empire. that’s literally our job in the imperial core!
Chu mean? China is literally part of the imperial core. Do you know what UNSC is?
China is not part of the Western block, what we call the imperial core. The Imperial core is led by the US, followed by Western Europe (especially France, Germany and the UK), and then some specific states like Israel, Japan, Canada and Australia. They are a block because they follow the same economic policies, they have the same ideological vision on the rest of the world, they are in the same military alliances, they usually back each others policies etc.
China does not partake in US foreign policy or the whole set of imperial core policies. US can support Ukraine against Russia but China won’t follow the US just because it said so. China won’t stop trading with Iran even if the US and Europe decided Iran should be a pariah country. China did not back the US against Iraq and Afghanistan, like the UK, Germany and France did. China won’t back the IMF in strangling under developed countries, it will instead alternative forms of funding that won’t go through the West backed institutions. China backs Cuba even though it avoids putting themselves under sanctions.
That said, there’s plenty of criticisms to be done about China, like it acted as a US partner for a short period during the Sino-Soviet split. China invaded Vietnam in one of the worst foreign policy decisions in the last century just to appease the US. China sees no problem in trading with Israel, even though it maintains a pro-palestine rhetoric. China sees no problem in trading commodities with Latin American countries, even if this trade makes many right wing reactionary capitalist strata richer in these countries. China has shown multiple times if it has to choose between a pragmatic position in support for its own national interests it will choose so, even if it harms international proletarian solidarity.
There are many different Marxist positions on China, so it’s not like they all support it acritically. There are Marxists that treat China as just another capitalist superpower; and there are many others who see China as an advanced position regarding socialism, but with many critical positions in different specific points, with many different degrees of criticsm.
What we are different from many Westerners, or the liberal Western left, is that we don’t consume histerical anti-China propaganda acritically. We don’t see China as devil or savior, we try to see it for what it is. And today, liking China or not, China is the main force challenging Western imperialism, so if any country or political organization is serious on fighting imperialism, it needs to have a serious position on China, because of its crucial position in the geopolitics have influence in whatever action it may take.
China has veto rights at the UNSC which literally is the imperial core at this point. They aren’t a poor little baby toddler who accidentally supported genocide and colonizaztion.
You are confusing two different universes:
It is time to drop that fantasy that the UN or the international law has any power over the US or Europe imperialist bloodlust. The turd Marco Rubio perfectly summarized what the US thinks of the UN: "“I don’t care what the UN says”.
In summary, the U.S. does not obey international law.
Do you know what veto rights at UNSC are?
Do you know the UN literally has an army?
Did you read up about anything in the resolution before jumping to China’s defense?
I know what it is and that’s why I am telling you that you are believing in this fantasy that the international law has any binding effect over the US.
One example of the many failures of the UNSC is Haiti. Has the UNSC stopped the US from arms smuggling weapons to Haiti? As a reminder, UNSC imposed an arms embargo on Haiti in 2022
What you are currently doing is desperately diluting the blame from the imperialists and to remove the focus on the real aggressors(Europe and the US).
Do yourself a favor and read the resolution which China just passed before pulling out random stuff about Haiti, this is getting emberassing.
What you are currently doing is desperately diluting the blame from the imperialists and to remove the focus on the real aggressors (every member of UNSC including China and Russia)
Haiti is not some “random stuff” that you can dismiss. It literally is a case example why putting your faith in the UN and UNSC is idealism and delusion at this point. Even with the UNSC, they never stopped this but actually made the situation a lot worse:
It amazes me how people can still believe in the UN after all of these years of failure to stop the genocide in Palestine, to stop the bleeding of Haiti, to stop the deadly blockade on Cuba or to stop any of the US war crimes in the Caribbean. It is bizarre.
you’re not a very good troll
I don’t think they’re trolling, and I don’t doubt they’re better read than myself; I do think I’ve had (brief, but that’s my fault) encounters with material here on the Troika that would benefit them reading, if they could bother/ find the time.
no u
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Holy shit i remember many OP posts from .ml as somewhat centrist but not that bad for a westolefto but then they went fully Zenz crusade level over an UN resolution of all things.
Yeah lol same, I was used to thinking of them relatively positively.