• Bldck@beehaw.org
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    17 hours ago

    Similar for The Ukraine which means “the frontier” in Russian and evokes the history of Muscovite imperialism over their frontier states

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      9 hours ago

      The word “Ukraine” itself doesn’t mean anything in russian nor ukrainian, it’s just a name for a state

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          9 hours ago

          but of course. I never said otherwise. it’s your words about it meaning “frontier” in russian is what i was debating, please read my comment again.

    • ApertureUA@lemmy.today
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      10 hours ago

      There’s no such thing as “The” in both Russian and Ukrainian, but what I’ve seen happen is pro-russian people intentionally saying “on (the) Ukraine” (as if “on the edge”) instead of “in Ukraine” to piss people off.

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        9 hours ago

        Huh. TIL Slavic languages don’t have a definite article.

        So it’s this grammatical mess of Germanic definite articles attached to a Slavic word and the outcome is politically fraught

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          8 hours ago

          I can’t speak to all Slavic languages but in mine it’s concatenated to the subject rather than being its own word

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      13 hours ago

      For those wondering, Xinjiang, the province controlled by China where the Uyghurs are is named similarly. It literally means “new frontier” in Mandarin.

      Many Uyghurs prefer the name East Turkestan. (But ofc thats heavily repressed by the CCP).